Coder wanted..

Anon

This is somewhat off-topic, but I'd rather post this here rather than send it out to a mailing list.. both are spam I guess, but I see this as less so. My apologies to anyone this offends.

I need 1 more PHP/MySQL programmer to help with a startup I am working on.. preferably interested in sports, as the site is related to it. 🙂

We're still in a development state, so there is no $ offered at this point, so take that into consideration. If you are interested, mail me some examples of your work, and any questions you have.

Thanks,
Chad

Anon

Why is it that more and more job postings these days (not just here, everywhere) include something along the lines of "I'm a itty bitty start up so I can't pay you any money! I just want you to bust your ass with me for free and see if we make money!"

The thing that really amazes me is that there are actually people out there that do this (sometimes very time consuming) work for free, or for pennies. We aren't talking about open source projects, we're talking about genuine, commercial work.

Sorry to be a prick, but I've gotten to the point where I'm sick and tired of seeing crap like this.

Anon

Hey, I'm interested. I working on a site which uses php & mysql and I would love to get more work.

I'm sure we can work out some means of compensation.

http://autos.i700.net and rtp.i700.com are two sites that use or currently be revised with php/mysql.

Daron

Anon

Nah I understand actually, but some of us just don't have the $ to pay anyone, much less ourselves, for the time. The three people (including myself) working on it all have full-time jobs. The important part I think is having an idea that works, or at least, one you think that will. I don't regret putting any of the work I've done into the site so far.. I'd regret if I had this idea and I didn't want to put any time into it because I wasn't seeing cash immediately, though.

Ah well.. in a way, I can understand your rant, but I can understand places that are looking for coders to help with a start-up and not afford to pay them anything, because there's just no income immediately. So you just offer a generous portion of the profits when they come in, and hope that's enough for them to stick around. Welcome to the new economy. 🙂

Anon

Chad Day wrote:

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That's the thing; It's not the new economy. People come up with pipe-dreams every day, and try to make it work with no-risk. 90% of new businesses fail within their first year.

There are way too many genuine jobs out there that pay rates that the market will bear -- even start-ups. When you have a good business plan with support from a lawyer (which is the real key) and investors, you can afford to pay people that know what they are doing and have the experience to help you succeed.

That's just good business. Those economics have been around for centuries.

By just offering "a generous portion of the profits when they come in, and hope that's enough for them to stick around" won't get you quality code, unless your programmers are your close friends.

If what you're looking for is a partnership (which is the only way any sane human being would work under those conditions), then you most certainly need a lawyer and a business plan. If not, then you can almost bet that you'll always have that second job.