A Note About Wrox Press (taken from http://www.extremephp.org/)
Now that Wrox Press is no more (the parent company is liquidating everything because they can't own up to their financial agreements), there isn't much point to purchasing any of my authored books (Professional PHP4, Professional PHP XML and Professional PHP Web Services). Why? All of the latest line of Wrox specialty books and handbooks was a huge scam to make more money to pull the organization out of dept. Was the content any good? - Perhaps, but you could get the hang of Web Services from Pro PHP XML and could even get the hang of XML in Pro PHP4. This went even further as they started to write specialized 'handbooks', as you very well know.

In any case, this book isn't that old and there are even newer Wrox books released this month. Sadly, the authors won't benefit from your contributions because Peer Information is not compensating the authors for any unpaid royalties. All you would be doing is helping the company in question get out of dept - and believe me, it's not something you want to do.

Wrox was an unethically placed organization who will never take advantage of its writers again. I guess I won't be getting paid any more money (not a big loss since my advance money was more than the actual sales), but the total payment usually results to be less than $2/hour and I wasted an entire year with these people. They even lie on their royalty information, saying that their books sell 49,000 copies on average (when some of their best books only sold 8000 and many of them did not sell even 400-1000). This makes people jump at the chance of writing a book only to realize that they never made any money while working for them (rent and food expenses).

They were also late in making payments and try to hold back in giving you money so you can sign another contract with them (before you turn away when realizing the scam).

They also had a terrible marketing department. I gave them 20 or so ideas that they could persue to improve marketing of the books and all they ever tried to do was defend their own ideas, dismissing all my valid arguments. Should it really matter where the ideas come from if they are better? It's like they never even cared about the authors and making more money.

They also can't make up their minds on what's going to be in the book, they don't favour the visionaries behind the content, they only give you 10 days to write a given chapter (which means that they are going to suck if it has to be 50 pages - I've been there) and they try to deceive you at every turn.

If you ask me, they wanted to hurt the authors the most. Just a month ago, they offered me to do a few chapters in a book, probably with full knowledge that they were going out of business. They knew I was dissatisfied with working with them and the constant deception, so that was their way to 'rectify' the situation. Now, how can one ethically waste someone's time like that with full knowledge, just so they can take advantage of you for their own benefit (evening knowing that they tried to scam before)? Of course I declined because I would never trust them again and I'm not that naive, but I can't think of any company that wouldn't do the same thing - all companies seem to be corrupt more or less when it comes to money.

I tried to warn people on slashdot, but the slashdot news approval people never found it interesting and I felt compelled to let people know. I'm sorry, but the fact that Wrox no longer exists is a very good thing. Because of their deception, my life has been very poor both mentally, physically and financially and I'm still feeling the effects. I gave so much to these guys for nothing and in a sense, it turned a highly motivated, skilled individual into a very unhappy and bitter one.

I've been through my share of mistreatment from every employer I've worked for, most customers I've dealt with (I was CEO of a enterprise application development company) and noticed that suppliers are never willing to take any responsibility, even if you that's a principle for your own organization. I realized quickly when I was 20 that you have to play by some pretty sour rules to stay ahead and that quality products and being a leader of integrity, sound judgement and character gets you no where.

I personally think capitalism is reaching it's usefulness, but we don't have the technology to create a better form of maintaining supply and demand. It's very sad indeed that consumers, workers and even honest business owners (if there are any) have to put up with the current mistrust of organizations today - talk about the hugest breach of human rights and ethics.

When I think of humanity, sometimes it's hard to see the good in it when your world leaders want to engineer world war III and business is never honest. What ever happened to people who are intelligent, skillful and motivated that just wanted to make something useful and make a difference? It's all law, politics and money. It really turned me off completely.

In any event, don't purchase any of my books since I or the other authors won't benefit from your contributions. Even if this were not the case, our advance money is still higher than any amount gained due to sales.

I hope you found this little article informative.

Best Regards,
Ken Egervari

    Good article, very well written. I'm sure there are some people who liked Wrox, however. In fact, there was a post about a week and a half to two weeks ago that asked if Wrox was still in existance. I, on the otherhand, don't really care either way: I've never bought anything from Wrox, nor do I plan to. I don't really need the books anyway, as I probably know most of the stuff about as well as the author.

    I've a note, however: it's debt, not dept. 🙂

      Thanks for your comments. I just wrote the article real quick actually - I didn't put it through a spellchecker as 'Wrox-bashing' really isn't worth the effort =)

      I only found "J2EE: Design and Development" to be really well written, but that was done by a single author and he's extremely knowledgeable and experienced with J2EE; I enjoyed his book very much.

      I have read a few others out of obligation. I've never really liked them much. I enjoy Addison Wesley books the most since they aquire the best authors and talk about complex concepts. Lately, over the last couple of years, I haven't read much software stuff as it all seems the same to me and I'm a skilled enough to design any application on any platform.

      I'm not really sure what I'm going to do next though. I have looked at all the companies in my city (small city), but I don't really like their objectives and the projects they are working on. Many of them are using software that is completely out of date. I also noticed they don't know how to lead software developers very well and aren't accepting any leadership positions. I guess I'm just a bit picky.

      Thanks for responding though. Best Regards,
      Ken Egervari

        I'm a bit confused about this, Ken. Your article at Extreme PHP dates from 28th April 2002, or it appears to do so. The article you've republished here is a copy of that article. It is now 20th March 2003 and Wrox appears to be alive and kicking, or at least their website is. Am I missing something?

        I agree that the Handbook series is a total rip-off, but Wrox has produced some excellent books (e.g. Beginning PHP4). The company, and other similar publishers, has to find a way of producing good books for less than the average current price of US$40. It's just too much for most people, unless the books are a career investment. No wonder they can't sell more than 1000 copies. Their marketing department appears to be incompetent. O'Reilly sells well in German translation, for example, but I saw the first Wrox German edition only last week. O'Reilly has been swamping the lucrative German market for years and are well established with almost no serious competition.

        So what's the deal? Is Wrox bankrupt or not? Any updates much appreciated.

        Thanks

        Norman 😕

          The first book i read on PHP was Wrox Beginning PHP4, and that was specificaaly for one or two chapters. (About 1.5-2 years ago)
          However, the source code offered on CD didn't work, I never got any replies from their support group, and now that I've done quite a few PHP/mySQL projects i realize I don't like their coding methods!

          Wrox site/support sucked big time!

          I consider my money totally wasted.

          The book is in my library, collecting dust!

          Kamy

            That's really interesting, Kamy. I'm a PHP newbie and have learned most of the little I know from this website and from Wrox. I'd be genuinely interested in finding out why the examples in Beginning PHP4 are bad. Could you give some more detail about what you don't like about Beginning PHP4, because it could save me (and other people) a lot of time and pain both now and in the future?

            Thanks very much for any guidance you can offer

            Norman

              Norman Graham,

              The article was written yesturday. eXtremePHP (the software) was released at that date.

                Norman Graham,

                The professional version is much better, although it's still not as good as it could have been (yes, I participated on that one). PHP XML was probably the best book, mainly because most of the authors took more action in shaping it. Believe it or not, Wrox has a policy where "the authors on a particular book cannot work together". How screwed up is that? Now you know why there is no vision or strategy to these books.

                  What I didn't like was their lack of discipline in coding standards.
                  A simple example; for some if statements they didn't use {}, I know it worked, but made debugging hell.

                  They didn't use any shortcuts, neither tried to use logical functioins. I know this comes to programmers taste and style, but there are things that most of us do not out of habit, but rather because it makes sense.

                  I haven't looked at the book for a while, so I'm going by memory here.

                  anyways, that was my two cents....

                  Kamy

                    Well i havent wasted any money on Books or any PHP Books on that matter. Although yes you can learn a lot quicker with some examples and getting into a bit more depth than the Manual itself. I still cant justify how they can make money especially out of a open source language. The person who creates the PHP like Zend had a book which i could see in the bookshop id probably go and buy it.

                    Like i said i never have bought a book on PHP or any language. But im quite shocked on what has happened with WROX i thought it was until now a respectiable company. Its good to know from a author what really happened behind the scenes.

                      Yes, Kamy, the coding is certainly lacking in discipline (e.g. no discussion of single v. double quotes but inconsistent use of both all over the place) and there are some features of the code which are introduced for the first time and then never explained, which is very confusing for a beginner. And yes, there is a paragraph about sloppy coding but then a plethora of examples in which they play fast and loose with the coding themselves. Most frustrating for a beginner who would like to do things properly from day 1.

                      I'm not sure what you mean by logical functions, though. Can you explain?

                      Btw Planetsim, there is an O'Reilly book by Rasmus, which would sort of meet your criteria of looking for the original source. I have to say I didn't buy it because I feared that Rasmus' casual genius might be a bit tough going for a complete beginner. Having said that, I haven't actually looked at the content in any detail. On the other hand, I've found O'Reilly very thorough and consistent so far (XHTML and Javascript already on my shelf). Decisions, decisions ...

                      At the end of the day I need a book. I read about PHP on the train on the way to work. It's the only peaceful half hour in my day.

                      Norman

                        in my opinion the O'Reilly-logo on their books is pretty much a quality assurance.. I've read several books on topics like DNS, Apache, PHP and so on from various publishers, but none have been as good as the O'Reilly books. This is, of course, just my point of view.

                        I'm not really capable of telling wether the books from O'Reilly are suited for newbies though, since I've never really been a newbie when I've bought books.. I've always started out with reading newsgroups, boards and manuals.. 🙂

                        // Olle

                          Just for fun, like, I sent Wrox an e-mail this morning and got the reply back already. Wrox is totally dead, including the forums, the ASP/C#.today stuff, Glasshaus, Friends of Ed, Curlingstone ... the whole shebang. All employees were made redundant last Friday.

                          Not a word about this on the website - it still looks like business as usual and they're still encouraging people to take out subscriptions.

                          Sounds like they were victims of themselves.

                          Norman

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