With a lot more bloat 
I like Opera, it really does it for me, though it's not entirely up there on the CSS2 standards at the moment. Down with IE, will microsoft ever attempt to conform with a standard? pffft.
Favourite browser?
currently, all the browser i used is much of desperate.
I don't have choice... i got to use what i have now, i am forced to use...
hopefully, someday, a person can develop a clean browser.
current browsers suck....! really suck
it is like you got to pick an egg from a group of rotten eggs...
IE, since it's the best on Windoze.
At least till yesterday, when I found out about it's PNG support.
IE - tried the others but just can't do without that funky little flag in the corner
Opera comes a close second.
Mozilla for me.
What's this about pheonix etc?
em... they don't want phoenix, they want firebird...
what ta hell ....
Phoenix, Firebird, Thunderbird, Minotaur.... it's all just Mozilla in the end.
I use Avant Browser now, (you can check it out here: www.avantbrowser.com ), Most of the same functionality of IE and Opera, but BYTE SIZE! (no pun intended! ok so It was haw haw) anyways, its less then 1meg... (so I store it on a floppy and go to work with it haha since we can't download stuff I use it here). At any rate, its a good program, try it out 
I didn't bother to install the Chat part of Mozilla. I installed the mail client because I was fed up with Outlook. I also installed the editor, Javascript console and debugger, and the DOM viewer, and they've proven very useful when it comes to development - especially the latter three. Bloat? I use that stuff.
I never was too impressed with Mozilla... and Netscape just sucks (I hate it that they tie in AIM and everything else)... then along came phoenix (now called firebird). Phoenix uses the mozilla core, but has a completely re-tooled interface. All of the little quirks of mozilla that caused me to not use it have been fixed by phoenix. Plus, it has some really cool new features as well. Tabbed browsing rocks. Mouse gestures are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Not to mention it's very lightweight (that was the main goal of the project in the first place... the amazing UI was just a side effect). It doesn't start up quite as fast as IE, because IE is built into windows. The difference is a couple of seconds though... and once you have it running it takes up a lot less of your system resources. Last, but definitely not least, it's completely standards compliant (as with mozilla).
I highly recommend checking it out. It's a project that is under development, so you might find some bugs, but it's been just as stable as IE on my system. Grab one of the nightly builds here: http://komodo.mozilla.org/pub/phoenix/nightly/latest-trunk/
Then go here to get some very cool added features (extensions... I recommend the all-in-one gestures): http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions.html
Then go here for skins (themes): http://texturizer.net/firebird/themes.html
The main page for the project is here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/
Originally posted by coditoergosum
I never was too impressed with Mozilla... and Netscape just sucks (I hate it that they tie in AIM and everything else)... then along came phoenix (now called firebird). Phoenix uses the mozilla core, but has a completely re-tooled interface. All of the little quirks of mozilla that caused me to not use it have been fixed by phoenix. Plus, it has some really cool new features as well. Tabbed browsing rocks. Mouse gestures are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Not to mention it's very lightweight (that was the main goal of the project in the first place... the amazing UI was just a side effect). It doesn't start up quite as fast as IE, because IE is built into windows. The difference is a couple of seconds though... and once you have it running it takes up a lot less of your system resources. Last, but definitely not least, it's completely standards compliant (as with mozilla).
I highly recommend checking it out. It's a project that is under development, so you might find some bugs, but it's been just as stable as IE on my system. Grab one of the nightly builds here: http://komodo.mozilla.org/pub/phoenix/nightly/latest-trunk/
Then go here to get some very cool added features (extensions... I recommend the all-in-one gestures): http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions.html
Then go here for skins (themes): http://texturizer.net/firebird/themes.html
The main page for the project is here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/
Mozilla has tabbed browsing as well. And yes, Phoenix is awesome.
ok, so i took your advice ( a lot of you), and downloaded pheonix. and, you're right, it is good
except for one thing: netscape 4.7 compliance? i was REALLY hoping for something better.
Originally posted by Moonglobe
except for one thing: netscape 4.7 compliance?
Netscape 4.7 compliance? What are you talking about?
Netscape 4 is probably the worst browser ever... mainly because it doesn't comply with standards.
i've never used netscape 4.x, but that's wat all the plugins (java, shockwave) taht i've installed in the last few minutes have said it was. it doesn't even show the <HR>'s right on this site.
i'm really not sure though. can ne1 tell me why it would call it that?
( i know it's based on netscape, but i didn't think it was 4.x..........)
Originally posted by Moonglobe
i've never used netscape 4.x, but that's wat all the plugins (java, shockwave) taht i've installed in the last few minutes have said it was. it doesn't even show the <HR>'s right on this site.
i'm really not sure though. can ne1 tell me why it would call it that?
( i know it's based on netscape, but i didn't think it was 4.x..........)
I reported this issue in the Feedback forum. I'm not too sure on why it's like that.
Perhaps its user agent string isn't being properly recognised?
nope,
echo $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'];outputs: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030504 Mozilla Firebird/0.6.
I don't get it... you don't like it that some web sites report it as being netscape 4.7? Ummm... am I missing something?
They report it that way because they haven't written code to recognize phoenix, and so it reverts to the closest thing, netscape.
What do you mean about it not showing <hr>s right? They show up correctly for me. Mozilla/phoenix is completely standards compliant... if a tag shows up differently in IE, then it's because IE is doing something non-standard (which it does a LOT). If you write some code, and it renders funny, it's because there's an error in your code. IE will take garbage code and try to render it... which is bad as a whole because it makes web designers lazy.
ok, so normal HR's work. but the first thing i noticed was that php and code lines don't work on this site. no biggy, i just was confused. i thought it was just old. my bad.
netscape, mozilla, ahhhhhh..............they all suck, they all are bloated to the point that they can't even display a normal website correctly, i HATE to say it, but only M$ IE has their s**t straight, and rightly so, since M$ owns half the fricking world anyway, or is it they lease 1/2 the world, so they own all of it