just messing with ya Mordecai, not trying to start ANOTHER PHP vs. PERL argument, i have used PERL also, and it was kinda great for web until PHP got their $#!7 together, and now PERL is like the red-headed step child to me, wouldn't use it again unless there were some crazy intranet stuff going on dealing with text and such, PERL has its place, but IMHO, PHP has it beat out on the web