Originally posted by BuzzLY
So? Let them think they are programmers. To someone that doesn't know a thing about computers, a "web programmer" that codes HTML is an impressive thing. It's certainly not harming me in any way if he/she things they are a programmer.

Except when it comes to remuneration ... it's not whether they think they're programmers or not, it's whether other people think they're programmers and can't tell the difference between one who knows was document.write() does and one who doesn't; and are thinking of hiring same. You know what I mean.

    perhaps not quite in terms of payment (unless it is a one-off contract), since the pseudo-web-programmer obviously wouldnt have the skills for it.

    more like the job specs when hiring (and thus a salary), though the company should of course get details of the potential employee's skills rather than just basing on claims of web programming skills.

      HTML is a markup language for sure, but it seems as if we're bashing HTML here. The web wouldn't be the web without HTML.

        Originally posted by Merve
        HTML is a markup language for sure, but it seems as if we're bashing HTML here. The web wouldn't be the web without HTML.

        What do you mean, "we", primary-face? Who's bashing HTML?

          originally posted by Weedpacket
          What do you mean, "we", primary-face? Who's bashing HTML?

          Sorry, my mistake.

            Originally posted by Weedpacket
            Except when it comes to remuneration ... it's not whether they think they're programmers or not, it's whether other people think they're programmers and can't tell the difference between one who knows was document.write() does and one who doesn't; and are thinking of hiring same. You know what I mean.

            Only too well, unfortunately. Hopefully that will all change in the next week or so. Y'all keep your fingers collectively crossed for me

              3 months later

              I think a common test is weather or not it (the language in question) can do math.

              HTML can't do math...therefore it's not a programming language.

              CSS can't do math....""

              PHP can do math...therefore it is a programming language.

              As far as I know...all programming language's can perform mathematical functions.

                I can do math. Does that make me a programming language?

                  yes it does. I program in BuzzLY all the time because it's much more efficient than Merve. I don't have access to Weedpacket yet because I haven't configured my server properly, but I'm sure I'll have a BuzzLY-Weedpacket-Moonglobe environment soon.

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                    I think your logic's slipping, BuzzLY; just because A implies B is no reason to suspect that B implies A....

                    Originally posted by Merve
                    I'm sure I'll have a BuzzLY-Weedpacket-Moonglobe environment soon.

                    If I were you I'd wait until Moonglobe 1.0 comes out; I understand the betas are still pretty unstable.

                      Argh! Keep with the times! 1.0 is out now! They're releasing 1.9.5beta soon.

                      As for Weedpacket and stolzyboy, Weedpacket has more functions, but stolzyboy has better error handling...I'm sure which one to use...Weedpacket 8.3 seems appealing, but stolzyboy 7.9 has syntax similar to PHP...this is a great debate!

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                        Weedpacket 8.3 has a buffer overflow problem (in the schnapps-handling routines) and dumps core now and then. Very messy. (The advised workaround is to avoid schnapps and stick with bourbon and coke.)

                        OTOH, Weedpacket is committed to open protocols, while stolzyboy's been known to favour proprietary standards on occasion.

                          Argh! I dowloaded Moonglobe 1.9.5beta and it's closed source! What a rip!

                          I'm lucky I configured Weedpacket with --with-anti-junkfood and stolzyboy with --enable-anti-screwup

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                          Oh yeah, Merve 0.0.1 has good string handling functions.

                            originally posted by Merve
                            Oh yeah, Merve 0.0.1 has good string handling functions.

                            Now if we could just figure out how to run it without the -v switch....

                            :p

                              Weedpacket 8.3 destroyed my last two machines because it comes default with --enable-drunken-rage, and it's a b*itch to turn that off.

                              Be damned if I ever use it again! 😃

                                When's LordShryku 0.0.1beta coming out? Wait a second...LordShryku can't do math :p:p:p

                                //Just had to take that cheapshot 😃

                                  S'ok, I tried Merve 0.0.1, but I assume their's embedded adware, because it causes all my pages to have annoying popups :p

                                    Told 'ya it always ran with '-v' 😃 😃

                                    Hmm, gotta love Mozilla. Nary a popup at all.....

                                      Hey, you shouldn't talk. dalecosp 89.5.3 doesn't even run on Apache. It uses ColdFusion servers! ARGH! 😃

                                        Moonglobe 1.0 can run PHP 5 beta 2, Apache 2.0.47, and MySQL 3.23.58 on Win32 without crashing 🙂