PHP vs. Other SSL?

PHPGuru2

I have been programming in PHP for a while now and I think it's awsome. But I'm not sure when it comes to writing it for Enterprise level.

There are many different Server Side Languages such as ASP, JSP, Cold Fusion, and so on. But which one is actually the best in quality and speed??

I have no knowledge in ASP and not going to learn it either. I think ASP is out of date stuff (don't know about .NET though) and Microsoft always screws up in security.

JSP seems like a good way to write since it can expand in many ways using frameworks (such as Jakarta Struts) and Java is the way to go right now. But I don't like about mapping. It's annoying.

Cold Fusion? I have no idea and haven't seen much site using it neither.

Any comments?

Moonglobe

this is all based on other people's opinions; i have no real background in enterprise-level PHP.

But as far as i can see, people generally go for the 'other' languages because of the companies backing them, and specifically their support. If there was just one company selling PHP support, im sure many enterprises would jump on the bandwagon.

but this is also where PHP gets it good reputation among internet hackers. it is open source; noone controls it. while a plus for many developers, for quite a few contractors it is sub-optimal, if not pessimal.

There is no reason from a technical standpoint why PHP should be foregone in favour of some other language. sure other languages have nice little features, but with a little care any PHP application can be just as organized as one written in ASP or JSP. In fact, it's webscripting features often surpass those of the afore-mentioned!

so to conclude, it is my opinion that if you are a competant PHP programmer you can easily write web applications that meet and surpass the standards of those coded in other languages.

hth
moon

PS: i didn't know what this was about at first........ might want to check your post subject next time (the 'SSL' confused me 😉)

LordShryku

Well put Moonglobe. One thing you'll also find about other languages is that they consume more resources just to run. You're going to need a bigger, better server to have these things run proficiantly. Coldfusion being a good example, it requires Jrun, spawns like 8 processes, but doesn't provide you with much of anything you can't get in PHP (I just converted a Coldfusion guy to PHP, someone give me a high five 😃). Now ASP on the other hand....if you're on a strictly Microsoft solution (IIS, MS SQL Server, Windows), ASP is probably going to be the better choice, simply because it was built to interact with these. And Java definately has it's place. It's a very powerful language, but again, will cost you a lot more in resources (try running Apache Tomcat).

Main thing it comes down to is preference, and what it will take to get the job done. If you are comfortable with PHP, prefer it, it will do what you need, and have the choice to use it, stick with it.

PHPGuru2

Yeah you are right. I also think it all depends on people's choice and the company you work for has a lot to do with the choice.

One thing I know about compiled language being better than scripting language like PHP is that scripting language adds a module directly to the Web Server, so if the module goes down then the Web Server also goes down.

However, compiled language such as Java runs on the Application Server such as Tomcat and not on the Web Server, so you can separate the heavy duty process instead of one processing the whole thing (like PHP or other CGI module).

Furthermore, application like JavaMonitor lets you control the number of instance of your application to deploy, so you can run one instance while upgrading another; meaning there is no "We are currently upgrading our system. Please come back later." or "Our system is temporary down. Sorry for the inconvenience." Also if one instance gets too much traffic, then it can easily load balance the traffic to the one with low traffic.

Herk

I just converted a Coldfusion guy to PHP, someone give me a high five

Slap hands, slap hands. Very nice.

Herk

mystrymaster

I have used coldfusion in the past and I must say that from a programming standpoint it is pretty nice and provides the freedom to work within it's framework or create what you need.

ASP or JSP - I have not had any interaction with myself - but I am in the process of trying to convert our business from using ASP on our intranets to php now so wish me luck. as For JSP I have yet to see a site run quickly with the .jsp extension.

I would say again go with what makes you feel more comfortable.