Hi This is what I came up for my problem
This worked perfect every time java enabled and disabled
If somone uses this make sure to put your path to a spacer gif
one could turn off images in their browser but that would really be extreme and rare.
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
document.write('<img src="/cgi-bin/run_me.cgi?images/spacer.gif&ref=');
document.write(document.referrer);
document.write('" height="1" width="1" alt="" />');
// -->
</script><noscript>
<img src="/cgi-bin/run_me.cgi?images/spacer.gif" height="1" width="1" alt="" />
</noscript>
Thanks for replying so fast last night after reading these post I'm way out of my league here
SB