School work question(Not what you think)

jebster

Say one was doing some school work in his computer class, and this particular school was really stupid and in its books said that a kilobyte is equal to 1,000 bytes when its really 1,024 and then in an test they asked "how many bytes are in a kilobyte", what would one do? Would the person lie and go along with the book or would put down the right answer and get it wrong? 😕

Thatsmej

next question..

if the book tells you that windows 95 / 98 is an OS...

and one knows it isnt...

one should lie and go with the book,
cause my teacher said that i was wrong..
though he know i was right..

but every thing went "by the book" 🙁

dalecosp

Give 'em an essay of the etymology, usage, and history of "kilobyte." No room? Connect the dots into a "RTFM" pattern .....

drawmack

That is the accepted generalization. Of course we geeks know that computers work in powers of two so I would just put

Kb = 2¹⁰ bytes which is about 1,000 bytes. (about is a squigly equals sign).

This way you have the correct answer, so you're not compromising your morals any and you have the answer they want so you're not compromising your grade any.

drawmack

Originally posted by Thatsmej
next question..

if the book tells you that windows 95 / 98 is an OS...

and one knows it isnt...

one should lie and go with the book,
cause my teacher said that i was wrong..
though he know i was right..

but every thing went "by the book" 🙁

Ummm windows 95 & 98 are OS's. They are native GUI versions of DOS. You should probably quit tring to be smarter then the teacher and just take the class. Discuss things like this with the prof. outside of class.

jebster

Originally posted by drawmack
That is the accepted generalization. Of course we geeks know that computers work in powers of two so I would just put

Kb = 2¹⁰ bytes which is about 1,000 bytes. (about is a squigly equals sign).

This way you have the correct answer, so you're not compromising your morals any and you have the answer they want so you're not compromising your grade any.

Ah, very nice! I shall do that. Thanks 🙂

Merve

Windows (any version) is an OS. An OS is the set of basic programs that your computer runs on (duh!) Windows is that. What I think you meant was that Windows wasn't a good OS (and will probably never be).

As for you jeb, just put 1000 on the test or whatever, and tell the prof, and ask him about your answer outside of class...even I know that a megabyte is 1024 kilobytes.

[edit]Sorry, I was typing fast and meant to put 1024...I'm not as stupid as I look 😉[/edit]

dalecosp

Originally posted by Merve
...even I know that a megabyte is 1000 kilobytes.

"WordNet (r) 2.0"
megabyte
n : a unit of information equal to one million (1,048,576) bytes
syn: MB

OR:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=megabyte

Definitely not just 1000 KB....

laserlight

hmm... I have the impression that Thatsmej was trying to do some Microsoft-bashing.

1 megabyte is 1024 kilobytes, of course.

jayant

actually that 1kb=1000 bytes (or mb/kb part) confusion comes from:

In networking conventions,
1 megabit = 1,000,000 bits and not 1024*1024bits.
=> 8 megabits = 8,000,000 bits
=> 1 megabyte = 1,000,000 bytes
or 1kilobyte = 1,000 bytes

where as in OS/filesystem conventions
1kB = 2¹⁰ = 1024 bytes.

that is why such a difference comes up.

dalecosp

Originally posted by laserlight
hmm... I have the impression that Thatsmej was trying to do some Microsoft-bashing.

Could be.

I do that sometimes, too. But I didn't catch that at first.

Speaking of M$, I was working on the idea that the BSD's should sue M$ for violation of section 3 of the BSD license, to wit:

 * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software
 *    must display the following acknowledgement:
 *      This product includes software developed by the University of
 *      California, Berkeley and its contributors.

So, I thought, why have I never seen this?

Of course, there is a reason ... anyone know why?

laserlight

Well, that clause has "been deleted in its entirety".

piersk

Since when does server 2003 use BSD?

dalecosp

orig post laserlight

In the BSD /COPYRIGHT, it's not deleted, but rather this addendum appears (truncated for brevity...)

NOTE: The copyright of UC Berkeley's Berkeley Software Distribution ("BSD")
source has been updated. The copyright addendum may be found at
[url]ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/4bsd/README.Impt.License.Change[/url] and is
included below.

July 22, 1999

To All Licensees, Distributors of Any Version of BSD:

As you know, certain of the Berkeley Software Distribution ("BSD") source
code files require that further distributions of products containing all or
portions of the software, acknowledge within their advertising materials
that such products contain software developed by UC Berkeley and its
contributors.

<snip>
Effective immediately, licensees and distributors are no longer required to....

And yeah, it does say "deleted in its entirety". However, many of the files in ~/src still carry that paragraph, 4 years later...hmm, maybe I should submit patches 😃

OP piersk

Well, I'm sure if anyone told us, they'd have to kill us, or at least chop off some body part unless we signed a non-disc in our own blood, but there is this, which I'm sure would be very interesting to me if I knew more about the history and design of software ....

Weedpacket

Originally posted by piersk
Since when does server 2003 use BSD?

I know one case at least: Microsoft couldn't get their implementation of Berkeley Sockets (the good old sockets we all know and love today) to work properly/securely/etc., so eventually they gave up and just imported the BSD implementation in toto.

The_Chancer

I can't help but remember what a university professor told me...

Prof - "I know that is what happens in practice, and that the theory doesn't - but that is what they want. So you have been marked down for writing it"

Me - "So I have been marked down for writing the correct practical answer - because the theory is wrong ?"

Prof - "Yes..."

Moral of this story - write both, that way you can never be wrong.

KITTfan2K

Kilobytes are used to measure harddrive capacity. They are 1000 bytes each.

Kilibytes are used to measure file sizes on harddrives. They are 1024 bytes each.

Or so I'm told. I may have that the wrong way around. But that's what I was told.

KITTfan2K

piersk

I've never heard of the term kilibytes. Are you sure it actually exists, especially since both Webopedia and Dictionary.com deny its existense.

dalecosp

Kilo vs. kili, hmm... there is a K vs. k convention in strict usage.

All right, I can see we need some direction here.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Q/quantifiers.html

And, now sirs, we present to you the grouchobyte... 😃

bad76

Thank Dalecosp!
Now we know his teacher is a marketroid... 😃
...but this give us a new question:

"And zeppobyte? Is it still available ?"

[edit]
Wow, just talking about K... this is mine 1k and prew is Dale's 3k...
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