2 months later

two months ago, I was all about FrontPage, but then as I went along I realized that I didn't need it, then eventually as I started learning PHP and how to do stylesheets, I completely stopped using it. I use winsyntax to highlight my code for me to make it easier, and topstyle lite to do my CSS files, but those are hardly WYSIWYG editors.

    I started out with DW, but now I'm using Homesite only.

    For design I use Photoshop, then cut the design.psd and adapt it to html in HS.

    Works fine 🙂

    But if it wasn't for DW and graph. editors I never would have started with HTML - it seemed much too complicated and boring using code only.

    knutm :-)

      I'm a real newby and started out with the HTML WYSIWYG in MSN Groups LOL. It pushed me in the direction of searching out a tool that I could use on my puter. I tried Stones WebWriter but it was just syntax highlighting and I still use it for PHP coding and debugging. I tried Netscape's built in one but it did wacky things to my tables, lol.

      So I went on a search and found PHP and MySQL programs was the direction I needed to head in. I found Open Office.org which is an open source program found on SourceForge. I really like it because you can connect to your MySQL database in your dev environment. You can also use the FTP option for your online files. It is very similar to MS Office, which is what I learned on, with many of the same features and capabilities. It's free and I have NO problem using it when it will do the "grunt" work for me, lol.

      I'm too old to be learning all these languages at once lol. It's burning me OUT FAST, lol.

      Barb

        Edit Plus! Oh yeah baby. It has every feature I can think I'd ever want in a text editor... if they only made a fully integrated PHP IDE with all of the cool stuff Edit Plus has, with debugging built into it, I'd be in heaven.

          8 days later

          Bask in my glory, for I use VIM 

            From: elided@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
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When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
*and* Emacs are just too damn slow.  They print useless messages like,
'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'.  So I use the editor
that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.

Ed, man!  !man ed

ED(1)               UNIX Programmer's Manual                ED(1)

NAME
     ed - text editor

SYNOPSIS
     ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
DESCRIPTION
     Ed is the standard text editor.
---

Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first
alphabetically, but because it's the standard.  Everyone else loves ed
because it's ED!

"Ed is the standard text editor."

And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair.  Just look:

-rwxr-xr-x  1 root          24 Oct 29  1929 /bin/ed
-rwxr-xr-t  4 root     1310720 Jan  1  1970 /usr/ucb/vi
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root  5.89824e37 Oct 22  1990 /usr/bin/emacs

Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed.
Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog
message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K;
and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!

"Ed is the standard text editor."

Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:

golem> ed

?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello? 
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?

---
Note the consistent user interface and error reportage.  Ed is
generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm
the novice with verbosity.

"Ed is the standard text editor."

Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED
AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS
BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN
SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!

When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!!
Not a "viitor".  Not a "emacsitor".  Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!
ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

TEXT EDITOR.

When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their
"edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi?  No.  Emacs?  Surely
you jest.  They chose the most karmic editor of all.  The standard.

Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on.  If you
are an idiot, you should use Emacs.  If you are an Emacs, you should
not be vi.  If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION.  THE
SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE
FAITHLESS.  DO NOT GIVE IN!!!  THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!

?

              Weed : ROLF 😃
              Piersk : I've been using VIM for about 6-7 months now and I've only just started making my own .vimrc, but it's soo handy.

              map <F10> : %s/\t/    g<CR> #convert all tabs to four spaces with F10
map <C-a> <C-w>w #Flick between splits on a screen with Control a rather than Control ww

              Anyone else got any handy recipies?
              Anyone know why these two don't seem to work?

              #To increase the size of a split with keypad plus
map <kPlus> <C-w>+
#For this I've also tried
nmap <kPlus> <C-w>+
map <kPlus> <C-w><S-=>
#To decrease the size of a split with keypad minus
map <kMinus> <C-w>-

              Cheers
              Bubble

                If I have a complicated page to layout, I use FrontPage to get it laied out the way I want, then go to either HomeSite, PHPEdit, or NoteTab Pro for the rest.

                I have always wanted to try Dreamweaver, but don't have time to get over the learning curve and I already know FrontPage.

                A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, I used NetObjects Fusion. It adds tons of unnessary code and I thought they folded or something. Maybe someone bought them out though.

                  OMG I remember ED lmbo. Is he still alive?? He's an OLD fart, lol. I am DYING over here after reading your post. I DARE anyone to say anything about the use of a WYSIWYG if they have never "had" to use ED !!!!! OMG, lol.

                  You really should not expose your age that way, LOL. But then, neither should I. HAHAHAHA! I'm crackin up!

                  Barb

                    8 days later
                    4 days later

                    Originally posted by adavis
                    If I have a complicated page to layout, I use FrontPage to get it laied out the way I want, then go to either HomeSite, PHPEdit, or NoteTab Pro for the rest.

                      17 days later

                      Originally posted by Moonglobe
                      ok...



                      who voted for frontpage :p

                      I did 🙁 but someone else has too..

                        6 days later

                        i think you meant to post this in New Projects??

                          yea, oiops i thought thats what it was, my bad

                            9 days later

                            Originally posted by planetsim
                            I did 🙁 but someone else has too..

                            My company insists on us using Frontpage to make webpages because:
                            a: They then don't have to pay for Dreamweaver
                            b: The server admins don't have to install the Macromedia server extensions
                            c: Frontpage is the bestest besty thing in the history of best things.

                            I was quite stunned that Microsoft managed to make Frontpage 2002 even worse than 2000.

                            What's even worse is that I use it at home too....sob

                            p.s. I just voted for Frontpage snicker

                              7 months later

                              it doesn't have ftp, but NOTEPAD2 rocks. colorizes code for easy readibility, is highly customizable, and has wildcard search. i dig it. it also happens to be FREEWARE!

                              i do wish it had multi-file search capability...i don't think it does that.

                                i have yet to see an organization standardize on frontpage. usually, just having it on your resume as a skill results in the resume visiting the trash can.

                                since php creates dynamic web pages i do not see how someone could really use any WYSIWYG editor. what you want is an editor that can debug and provide help with PHP functions.

                                  Originally posted by pohopo
                                  what you want is an editor that can debug and provide help with PHP functions.

                                  Like PHPBuilderEd 😃