I started out with DW, but now I'm using Homesite only.

For design I use Photoshop, then cut the design.psd and adapt it to html in HS.

Works fine 🙂

But if it wasn't for DW and graph. editors I never would have started with HTML - it seemed much too complicated and boring using code only.

knutm :-)

    I'm a real newby and started out with the HTML WYSIWYG in MSN Groups LOL. It pushed me in the direction of searching out a tool that I could use on my puter. I tried Stones WebWriter but it was just syntax highlighting and I still use it for PHP coding and debugging. I tried Netscape's built in one but it did wacky things to my tables, lol.

    So I went on a search and found PHP and MySQL programs was the direction I needed to head in. I found Open Office.org which is an open source program found on SourceForge. I really like it because you can connect to your MySQL database in your dev environment. You can also use the FTP option for your online files. It is very similar to MS Office, which is what I learned on, with many of the same features and capabilities. It's free and I have NO problem using it when it will do the "grunt" work for me, lol.

    I'm too old to be learning all these languages at once lol. It's burning me OUT FAST, lol.

    Barb

      Edit Plus! Oh yeah baby. It has every feature I can think I'd ever want in a text editor... if they only made a fully integrated PHP IDE with all of the cool stuff Edit Plus has, with debugging built into it, I'd be in heaven.

        8 days later

        Bask in my glory, for I use VIM

          From: elided@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
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          Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT
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          When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
          *and* Emacs are just too damn slow.  They print useless messages like,
          'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'.  So I use the editor
          that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
          
          Ed, man!  !man ed
          
          ED(1)               UNIX Programmer's Manual                ED(1)
          
          NAME
               ed - text editor
          
          SYNOPSIS
               ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
          DESCRIPTION
               Ed is the standard text editor.
          ---
          
          Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first
          alphabetically, but because it's the standard.  Everyone else loves ed
          because it's ED!
          
          "Ed is the standard text editor."
          
          And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair.  Just look:
          
          -rwxr-xr-x  1 root          24 Oct 29  1929 /bin/ed
          -rwxr-xr-t  4 root     1310720 Jan  1  1970 /usr/ucb/vi
          -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  5.89824e37 Oct 22  1990 /usr/bin/emacs
          
          Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed.
          Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog
          message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K;
          and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!
          
          "Ed is the standard text editor."
          
          Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:
          
          golem> ed
          
          ?
          help
          ?
          ?
          ?
          quit
          ?
          exit
          ?
          bye
          ?
          hello? 
          ?
          eat flaming death
          ?
          ^C
          ?
          ^C
          ?
          ^D
          ?
          
          ---
          Note the consistent user interface and error reportage.  Ed is
          generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm
          the novice with verbosity.
          
          "Ed is the standard text editor."
          
          Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
          
          ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED
          AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS
          BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN
          SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
          
          When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
          help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!!
          Not a "viitor".  Not a "emacsitor".  Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!
          ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
          
          TEXT EDITOR.
          
          When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their
          "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi?  No.  Emacs?  Surely
          you jest.  They chose the most karmic editor of all.  The standard.
          
          Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on.  If you
          are an idiot, you should use Emacs.  If you are an Emacs, you should
          not be vi.  If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION.  THE
          SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE
          FAITHLESS.  DO NOT GIVE IN!!!  THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
          
          ?

            Weed : ROLF 😃
            Piersk : I've been using VIM for about 6-7 months now and I've only just started making my own .vimrc, but it's soo handy.

            map <F10> : %s/\t/    g<CR> #convert all tabs to four spaces with F10
            map <C-a> <C-w>w #Flick between splits on a screen with Control a rather than Control ww
            

            Anyone else got any handy recipies?
            Anyone know why these two don't seem to work?

            #To increase the size of a split with keypad plus
            map <kPlus> <C-w>+
            #For this I've also tried
            nmap <kPlus> <C-w>+
            map <kPlus> <C-w><S-=>
            #To decrease the size of a split with keypad minus
            map <kMinus> <C-w>-
            

            Cheers
            Bubble

              If I have a complicated page to layout, I use FrontPage to get it laied out the way I want, then go to either HomeSite, PHPEdit, or NoteTab Pro for the rest.

              I have always wanted to try Dreamweaver, but don't have time to get over the learning curve and I already know FrontPage.

              A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, I used NetObjects Fusion. It adds tons of unnessary code and I thought they folded or something. Maybe someone bought them out though.

                OMG I remember ED lmbo. Is he still alive?? He's an OLD fart, lol. I am DYING over here after reading your post. I DARE anyone to say anything about the use of a WYSIWYG if they have never "had" to use ED !!!!! OMG, lol.

                You really should not expose your age that way, LOL. But then, neither should I. HAHAHAHA! I'm crackin up!

                Barb

                  8 days later
                  4 days later

                  Originally posted by adavis
                  If I have a complicated page to layout, I use FrontPage to get it laied out the way I want, then go to either HomeSite, PHPEdit, or NoteTab Pro for the rest.

                    17 days later

                    Originally posted by Moonglobe
                    ok...



                    who voted for frontpage :p

                    I did 🙁 but someone else has too..

                      6 days later

                      i think you meant to post this in New Projects??

                        yea, oiops i thought thats what it was, my bad

                          9 days later

                          Originally posted by planetsim
                          I did 🙁 but someone else has too..

                          My company insists on us using Frontpage to make webpages because:
                          a: They then don't have to pay for Dreamweaver
                          b: The server admins don't have to install the Macromedia server extensions
                          c: Frontpage is the bestest besty thing in the history of best things.

                          I was quite stunned that Microsoft managed to make Frontpage 2002 even worse than 2000.

                          What's even worse is that I use it at home too....sob

                          p.s. I just voted for Frontpage snicker

                            7 months later

                            it doesn't have ftp, but NOTEPAD2 rocks. colorizes code for easy readibility, is highly customizable, and has wildcard search. i dig it. it also happens to be FREEWARE!

                            i do wish it had multi-file search capability...i don't think it does that.

                              i have yet to see an organization standardize on frontpage. usually, just having it on your resume as a skill results in the resume visiting the trash can.

                              since php creates dynamic web pages i do not see how someone could really use any WYSIWYG editor. what you want is an editor that can debug and provide help with PHP functions.

                                Originally posted by pohopo
                                what you want is an editor that can debug and provide help with PHP functions.

                                Like PHPBuilderEd 😃