Properly Introduced

nfzgrld

I thought it would be rude of me to start posting all over the place until we've been properly introduced. For name and other info please refer to the signature below.

In the mean time, I would like to invite you all over to my website at http://www.axelis.com and invite your critique, admiration, complaints, criticism, or whatever positive, neutral, or negative comments you might wish to make.😃

Thank you,

Nick

piersk

Waiy, that is one perdy lookin saite you gaat yerself...

hey!

pyro

You should really look into some CSS, as using tables for layout is stupid. Also, it would be a good idea to validate your code, as you've got some depreciated elements in there.

Merve

Hello! (Who would have thought of a username using only consonants?:rolleyes: )

I'm the wacky one....and oh yeah...using tables for layouts IS stupid, but don't mind pyro, he's obsessed with XHTML and CSS :p (which to a certain extent is a good thing).

piersk

But have you seen what he can do with it?

http://www.ryanbrill.com/archives/00016.php

LordShryku

pyro's the standards freak. My one and only real complaint with XHTML is the depreciation of the target element in anchor tags. Hate that. With a passion. :mad:

DXL

im too busy playing this awesome game i just found out about, but im here long enough just to say "hey man, welcome to <?PHPBuilder?>.com"

well, g2g(go to go)

pyro

Darn right. Standards compliant, CSS design is the only way to fly. I'm in the process of redesigning my business site (link below) to an all CSS layout, as I currently have a hybrid layout. I won't bore you all with my thoughts on that topic, but my CSS design is going to blow the current one out of the water, in more ways than one. 🙂

jebster

Originally posted by pyro
I won't bore you all with my thoughts on that topic

Go nuts, I have nothing better to do... 😉

Other than try to code then have my computer crash on me... Feel the power of Win98!

Originally posted by pyro
CSS design is the only way to fly

Yea, and with CSS you can have many different layouts and to switch the person just has to click the little icon in there statusbar, in firefox atleast.

BTW, welcome to PHPBuilder nfzgrld!

nfzgrld

Ok kids, I now feel officially welcomed to the "community". One thing, actually, a lot of things, but I'll start with one. I validated, and won. True, all I got out of it was a cold beer and the satisfaction of being valid, but that's good enough for me. Actually, it did have a problem with a java tag, but I'm not sure that counts. Now, what, exactly, is depricated in my code? Is it not to standards? I beg to differ. Should I use CSS? Hell no.

The site is up to standards, my standards. I know, sounds pompus and all that, but there is a reason for this. As far as CSS goes, I have a passionate dislike for it. As someone who is involved in search engine technology, I can tell you that CSS code is like a ghost that won't go away. If some nimrod refuses, no matter what you tell them, to put a description tag in their header, one has to go and get part of their page to use in the description line. Not having one looks terrible. The problem is, that more often than not, if there is any CSS code in the page, that's what you get. And for some reason, no matter what I do in PHP, Perl, or whatever, I can't parse it all out of there, although I have gotten better at it. CSS is a nightmare for search engines.

Tables. I use tables becasue they are a good solution for what I need. Now, I have bookmarked the tables are stupid site and will investigate further as I'm always looking for a better solution.

Now for the really bad part. I'm terribly sorry, but that site of yours, and the one that piersk linked, both look the same. In fact, they look like about 10,000 other sites I've seen. I stopped using that particular type of layout a couple years ago. In the passed couple of months I've had exactly 0 hits from people using 640X480 res. There's no reason to be that constrained any more. 😉

Nick

Weedpacket

Originally posted by nfzgrld
The site is up to standards, my standards.

And my HTML uses <para> to indicate paragraph marks, I use \l\b to indicate linebreaks in text files, I assume every man and his search engine on the planet has eyesight at least as good as my own, I measure fuel consumption in my car in nanoacres, and I drive on the median strip.

Hey, they're standards - my standards.

planetsim

Originally posted by Weedpacket
And my HTML uses <para> to indicate paragraph marks, I use \l\b to indicate linebreaks in text files, I assume every man and his search engine on the planet has eyesight at least as good as my own, I measure fuel consumption in my car in nanoacres, and I drive on the median strip.

Hey, they're standards - my standards.

Nothing wrong with driving on the median stripe.. especially if there isnt anyone watching.. 😃

Anyway if anyone just used there standards the world would be chaotic. (err did i spell correctly its late)

jebster

Originally posted by nfzgrld
As someone who is involved in search engine technology, I can tell you that CSS code is like a ghost that won't go away...... CSS is a nightmare for search engines.

How's that? Personally I would think that with CSS there is less tables and other crap to parse out for the search engine, not to mention, using CSS in a .css file would significantly reduces the size of your document, and when a search engine is spidering millions of pages, that little bit on each page would save alot of bandwidth cause they just ignore the CSS file!

pyro

Originally posted by jebster
Go nuts, I have nothing better to do...

Ok, why not... :p

I personally think that tables for layout are not the best choice, and are misused 95% (or more) of the time, but if the developer has made an informed decision and has weighed the consequences of using such, they can have their place in layouts. However, IMO very few developers know enough to make that desicion correctly. Most use tables because it's easier and they can't be bothered to learn CSS. Especially with 4.0 browsers having basically been eradicated, people's biggest complaint ("It doesn't look right in NN 4" - Doh, what does?) is invalid. So, basically I think that if the developer knows what he is doing, knows the effects of using tables, and still choses them as the tool, perhaps we shoudn't complain too loudly. 😉 For all other cases, let 'em know what you think... 😃

Originally posted by nfzgrld
The site is up to standards, my standards.

Weedpacket hit this one, so I digress...

Originally posted by nfzgrld
As someone who is involved in search engine technology, I can tell you that CSS code is like a ghost that won't go away ... CSS is a nightmare for search engines.

Oh, the humanity! What do you possibly have to back that one up? As jebster said, using CSS is not bad for your SEO. It is actually very good, as it allows you to structure you documents in a semantic, meaningful way, with (X)HTML tags being used for what they were originally intended - markup.

piersk

Originally posted by nfzgrld
CSS is a nightmare for search engines.

How? Why? And isn't that the fault of the search engine? Surely you can see that that stylesheets are part of the standards laid down by the World Wide Web Consortium (http://www.w3c.org) and as part of the world wide web, search engines must (or at least should) comply by them.

Merve

Is there an alternative to using the anchor tag for targets? (If not the w3c did something very stupid.)

LordShryku

AFAIK , the alternative is to use an onClick=window.open event instead.

pyro

Yes, you need to use an onclick event, as LordShryku suggested. This is probably why it has been depreciated: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-avoid-pop-ups

jebster

That's pretty stupid of the W3C! Like if someone doesn't want it to open it in the new window they can just drag it into the statusbar or address bar!

pyro

Do you let your users know it will be opening in a new window before they click? If not, by the time they click, it will be too late. They can always right click, and open in a new window (or tab) if they do not want it opening in their current window.