More IE Goodness....

LordShryku

Just a heads up for the few around here still using IE as their main browser. There's a new exploit out there targeting online bankers. I know I do most of my banking online, so this caught my eye.

planetsim

This is sort of Old but IIS was targetted with a virus which would install some things onto IE...

However that news doesnt surprise me.. who uses IE these days unless there forced :bemused:

Mordecai

Originally posted by planetsim
who uses IE these days unless there forced

Unfortunately, a very large crowd.

ajdegans

i use IE since im not having dificulties with it 🙂 but lately im reading some more on forums and all and see "BAD IE" coming up more and more...

now, to be mega off-topic: can someone tell me whats so friggen bad about IE and why i should something else. and suggest what that 'else' must be then 🙂

TY!

Schwalbach

Hey,

I can't suggest the "bad" in IE, but I can show you the good in Firefox.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

ajdegans

looks good 'n shiny 🙂 hows the windows support? pretty well i figured, but what i didnt see. how does windows react on a not native browser set to default? is it gonna wine about that IE is not default and want to "fix" that?

I use windows 2k pro SP4 🙂 i guess its allright but im not interrested in a lot of trouble when i install firefox or something like it :p

LordShryku

It won't wine. All you can do it install it and give it a shot. If you don't like it, uninstall it. Personally, for Windows, I use Firefox, and install it on every Windows machine I build.

Some points to IE, beyond all of the exploits you see popping up for it:

1) IE doesn't support a lot of CSS. So valid webpages might not show up the way they were meant to look through IE.

2) Tabbed browsing! Don't know how to live without this anymore.

BuzzLY

IE doesn't support a lot of CSS. So valid webpages might not show up the way they were meant to look through IE.

I think it's more accurate to say that it doesn't support it well. It does support most CSS, though. And when you're a developer, and 95% of the world uses IE, you're kind of forced to standardize with IE and build "additional" support for other browsers.

Elizabeth

Originally posted by LordShryku
1) IE doesn't support a lot of CSS. So valid webpages might not show up the way they were meant to look through IE.

Funny, and I remember when IE was the only browser that would support CSS.

ajdegans

Well guys (and girl)

i just installed firefox.... at first sight it seems ok, but after opening several websites it makes me nervous..... why, oh why does it show table borders everywhere?

i checked in dreamweaver and it appears to me that firefox has bad table recognitions? it doesnt seem to understand that a tag like this

<td bordercolor=#333333>

actually does mean that the color must be some greyscale... it just looks all weird and screwed? never saw such in IE though 🙂 bite me!

i tried some html editing aswell because it might occur a tag is missing somewhere or a css thing overrules it but none bug is found....

but the tabs rock 😉

anyone got an idea?😕 :evilgrin:

Merve

IE -

doesn't support CSS properly
doesn't support .pngs properly
has no native MathML support 😃
has many security flaws
doesn't have tabbed browsing
no themes/skins
almost no extensions
crashes a lot
is not open source
does not have tools for web development
just plain sucks

I've been using the Mozilla (Seamonkey) suite for a few months now and I am quite satisfied with it.

Mordecai

Originally posted by ajdegans
never saw such in IE though

Nope, you won't see IE display HTML correctly half (if not more. Probably more.) the time.

ajdegans

wqell thats nice but now its vice versa as you all say... the websites look fine in IE and screw up in Firefox 🙁

Weedpacket

Originally posted by ajdegans
i checked in dreamweaver and it appears to me that firefox has bad table recognitions? it doesnt seem to understand that a tag like this
<td bordercolor=#333333> 
actually does mean that the color must be some greyscale... it just looks all weird and screwed? never saw such in IE though 🙂 bite me!

i tried some html editing aswell because it might occur a tag is missing somewhere or a css thing overrules it but none bug is found....

but the tabs rock 😉

anyone got an idea?😕 :evilgrin: [/B]

Since when has "bordercolor" been a valid HTML tag attribute, for <td> or anything else? Is it some IE-specific thing that was never supported anywhere else? For certain if it ever was standard HTML it would be deprecated now in favour of CSS.

vaaaska

mmmmmmmmmmMac! 😃

piersk

Originally posted by Weedpacket
Since when has "bordercolor" been a valid HTML tag attribute, for <td> or anything else? Is it some IE-specific thing that was never supported anywhere else? For certain if it ever was standard HTML it would be deprecated now in favour of CSS.

IIRC, it used to be a valid attribute but has been depreciated.

The_Chancer

IE also lets you skim things - like badly formed javascript - which Firefox catches - See Tools->Javascript Console - very good for ironing out those details....

It is also strict on its tags - if IE sees something that shouldn't be there - it seems to ignore it - whereas Firefox will point this out to you...

Firefox rocks... nothing more to say...

Weedpacket

Originally posted by The Chancer
IE also lets you skim things - like badly formed javascript - which Firefox catches - See Tools->Javascript Console - very good for ironing out those details....

If nothing else, it's accurate about where it says errors are located!

It is also strict on its tags - if IE sees something that shouldn't be there - it seems to ignore it

Which leads to the piles of garbage HTML out there cranked out by people who don't know what they're doing but think it's okay because "it looks all right in IE".

Originally posted by piersk
IIRC, it used to be a valid attribute but has been depreciated.

I thought it might be, but I searched right back to RFC1866 and couldn't find it at all - deprecated or otherwise.

Oh, and I thought of something else. Because Mozilla Firefox isn't so maliciously intertwined with the operating system, things like these are harder to pull off (does anyone know of any significant security vulnerabilities in the current versions of either Mozilla or Firefox?)

Mordecai

Heh... I like the link back to the same post. 😉

Merve

Guys, us as computer nerds/geeks/experts use either Seamonkey, Firefox, Opera, or some other browser that isn't IE (or Netscape). The general public believes that if it looks fine in IE than it's good. Lots of JavaScript is IE specific and only works in IE. Lots of things only work in IE. Does the ordinary Joe take the time to care if another browser is better. No! As long as he can go to the Windows Update site he's happy as a clam. We cannot force other people to use Firefox (or other 'better' browsers) just because we think it's better. I use Seamonkey because I like its web dev tools and I'm scared of the security flaws. Are most people who use IE web developers? No!

Some people/organizations have taken strides to not use IE. At Carleton University, everybody uses Firefox (even though IE is installed on the computers by default).

To an ordinary Joe, another browser is just a waste of hard disk space. Who needs Firefox when you already have IE?

So, in the end, use the browser that makes you happy...I just might try out that Crazybrowser 😉