Originally posted by elementaluk
Note: the above statement excludes PHP-GTK on Linux as Linux sucks and deserves to be burned with Nitro...would probably make it work better, cant see it making it any worse.
Hrmm...funny. Do you know what GTK stands for? Gnome Tool Kit. Gnome, as in the desktop enviroment made for Linux, and the tool kit which was put together to help in development for that enviroment.
But, yeah, they think Linux sucks too :rolleyes:
yeah I know GTK is for Linux but the way they act over at PHP-GTK and around the web you'd think PHP-GTK was solely written for Windows.
I doubt that it's as easy as visual programming where you draw the interface and the IDE writes the code for you.
Depends on preference, most programmers find writting the code from scratch easier than moving widgets about (more control. Visual Programming is too confusing).
This isn't really feedback, its just to see how many people want it.
Well, if you didn't want feedback, you should leave such bold comments out of your post.
As far as a forum specifically for it, I'd say no. If we're going to open forums for php frameworks, well, I'd think more people use pear than gtk. Or smarty. There's just so many out there that openning one forum for this would open the door for all kinds of "open a forum for <insert framework/extension here>". Followed by a "but you opened one for php-gtk!".
Note: the above statement excludes PHP-GTK on Linux as Linux sucks and deserves to be burned with Nitro...would probably make it work better, cant see it making it any worse.
If this was my forum you'd be banned by now.
Originally posted by LordShryku
Hrmm...funny. Do you know what GTK stands for? Gnome Tool Kit.
Oooops. Looks like you had a typo there. You did mean, the Gimp Tool Kit, right? 
I was going to add a PHP-Gtk forum quite a while ago. Can't remember what happened to it. I'll let this boil for a little while to see how much interest there is before adding it.
Thanks for bringing it up.
Originally posted by dar-k
If this was my forum you'd be banned by now.
lol.
<cough> will ban for food!<cough> 
The day Linux meets Windows users' idea of perfection is the day I throw in the towel.
Truth be told, though, I'd never recommend Linux to my family -- they always cook these reeeeeally nice dinners, so that I'll fix their machines. I'd starve to death if they used Linux
Originally posted by LordShryku
There's just so many out there that openning one forum for this would open the door for all kinds of "open a forum for <insert framework/extension here>". Followed by a "but you opened one for php-gtk!".
The difference is, though, that PHP-Gtk brings PHP to the desktop. It's a huge jump.
I built my time tracking app in PHP-Gtk and loved it, then built an IMAP app as a backup when I was having problems with Evolution. It was a godsend for me. I did eventually go to Java though, for my time tracking, simply because I needed to hone a little more in that language.
I think I told Andrei Z that I was planning to open a forum. I probably dropped the ball back when I moved my app to Java.
Anyone else have a yay or nay on this?
Originally posted by elementaluk
Depends on preference, most programmers find writting the code from scratch easier than moving widgets about (more control. Visual Programming is too confusing).
Not most programmers I know. The only reason I don't use one for html is cause there isn't one that generates good HTML. But my desktop apps are always written with Visual programming. I can bang a visual inferface out in a couple hours as opposed to a couple of days.
PHP-GTK does not deserve its own forum. If we have a PHP-GTK forum then we should have a Pear forum, or an extension developers forum (which would be more like coding C, not PHP). Many more people use Pear classes than PHP-GTK, and not many people would benefit from a PHP-GTK forum. It would lie dormant like the NuSphere PHPEd forum (OMG there's a new post :eek: )
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If we have a PHP-GTK forum then we should have a Pear forum
like jstarkey said, PHP-GTK is a huge jump for PHP. Pear is no-bad but its nothing compared to PHP-GTK.
not many people would benefit from a PHP-GTK forum
why do you say that? sure PHP-GTK is new-ish but there are hundreds of good,bad and down right stupid php-gtk programs around and more are created everyday so the number of developers must be quite large.
This isn't just an extension like pear, gd, ircg etc... This is an evolution, so far its the only extension (that I know of) that brings PHP off the web and onto your desktop.
Sure its not as good as ANY other desktop programming language but it has potential.
P.S. btw, last time I checked, Smarty was a Class.
Originally posted by LordShryku
But, yeah, they think Linux sucks too :rolleyes:
Only 'cos Linux is more popular than GNU's Hurd.
Originally posted by elementaluk
Sure its not as good as ANY other desktop programming language but it has potential.
Yes it has potential but the vast majority of users using PHP as a web application language is far greater than using it to create desktop applications. Until its popularity increases i do not think many users if any will reguarly use it or even use it for that matter.
What I always find interesting is the fact that people say Linux is more stable than Windows. Not in my experience. I've had XP for 2 1/2 years and have not once had it crash/freeze/suddenly restart. I bought a new computer, and to try out Linux, I installed RH9. After the first day or so of using it, the computer restarted everytime I logged on. Eventually the computer never made it past the initial loading phase of the OS, and I ended up installing Windows. That was back in August, and I have yet to experience a crash or anything mentioned above.
Originally posted by ScubaKing22
What I always find interesting is the fact that people say Linux is more stable than Windows. Not in my experience. I've had XP for 2 1/2 years and have not once had it crash/freeze/suddenly restart. I bought a new computer, and to try out Linux, I installed RH9. After the first day or so of using it, the computer restarted everytime I logged on. Eventually the computer never made it past the initial loading phase of the OS, and I ended up installing Windows. That was back in August, and I have yet to experience a crash or anything mentioned above.
Problem #1, you installed Redhat, and went through the "hold your hand" install. Which SHOULD get you a functional linux box, but IMO is far from ideal.
Problem #2, unless you know enough (or are willing to learn) about linux, it is impossible to use, and highly unstable.
Problem #3, linux is NOT ready for the typical end-user desktop.
On my personal machine at home I DO run a linux desktop (Debian Sarge/testing with the 2.4 kernel as 2.6 still has crap support for my motherboard) . But then again, i'm a glutton for punishment 
Originally posted by ScubaKing22
What I always find interesting is the fact that people say Linux is more stable than Windows. Not in my experience.
Yep, I'll agree with that 100%. As long as you're on an NT system and you know what you're doing, Windows is as stable as you want it to be.
Originally posted by Mordecai
Yep, I'll agree with that 100%. As long as you're on an NT system and you know what you're doing, Windows is as stable as you want it to be.
I'd say its as stable as the applications you run on it, which is no different with linux or any other OS. If you're running crappy software on top of the OS bad things will happen.
Originally posted by ScubaKing22
What I always find interesting is the fact that people say Linux is more stable than Windows. Not in my experience.
I work on one site putting out about 1 million pages per day. The site was granted first rights to announce an impending release of a product. Within a few hours of posting the announcement, a Windows security friend pointed out to me that the other site had crashed under extreme load. As far as I know, and was told, we were the only ones who'd announced the release. So our referals alone took it down. We run Linux. I don't know how many p/vs they were getting, but I doubt it was anywhere near what we were. I'd hate to see it hit with our load (a constant 16 Mbit/sec output, with peaks to 37Mbit).
I bought a new computer, and to try out Linux, I installed RH9. After the first day or so of using it, the computer restarted everytime I logged on. Eventually the computer never made it past the initial loading phase of the OS, and I ended up installing Windows.
I've installed about 30 machines this year and I've never had RH screw up an X config. Sounds like you got a bum deal. But that would be the same with Windows. The thing with Linux is, once it's running, it'll run until hardware crashes. RH and SuSE are great about install and go. Some others are still old school.
To be fair: I do have an XP machine here that gets used an hour or two a week and is running 24x7. It hasn't crashed in a long time.
Originally posted by Sgarissta
Problem #1, you installed Redhat, and went through the "hold your hand" install. Which SHOULD get you a functional linux box, but IMO is far from ideal.
Hey, RH has held my hand many times and done fine. I'm not a tweaker though, I gave that up years ago 
Stop playing and start working, and you won't have any problems!!
Sheeeesh, I thought you were on our side
Originally posted by Sgarissta
I'd say its as stable as the applications you run on it, which is no different with linux or any other OS. If you're running crappy software on top of the OS bad things will happen.
Very true. The past 24 hours I've been configuring a mail server. At a couple points I actually threw the message lists out of sync and Evolution just started an infinite spin. Outlook did the same thing. I can't remember if I rebooted XP or just closed Outlook, but Evolution crapped out completely when I tried to close the Window. I had to reboot. Possibly score on for XP here. Even though there was no screen for Outlook, I don't think I rebooted. Is there an uptime count on XP?
Originally posted by jstarkey
Hey, RH has held my hand many times...
I'm not a tweaker though...
Stop playing and start working...
I like big butts and I cannot lie...
So you're not one of the bleeding edge folks running Fedora Core 3 Test 1 I take it?
Just got used to some of the Gnome 2.6, KDE 3.2 changes, and they put Gnome 2.8/KDE 3.3 out there.
