Mozilla Firefox 0.10 (1.0 Preview Release) Released 2004-09-14

zapa

yay for firefox right? as the title says 1.0 is out
download at
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

laserlight

It isnt 1.0, it is 1.0 PR, a.k.a. 0.10

zapa

right, i coped the title from the site.
"The final release of 1.0 is expected in the fourth quarter of 2004."

planetsim

Pity a few extensions didnt work straight out of the box but i guess thats the same for all types of software out there.

remember to Spread the word

Jinks

i still like IE for programming :p

drawmack

Originally posted by Jinks
i still like IE for programming :p

Are you attempting to start a flame war?

Jinks

no.. ?

im just saying IE is much easier and forgiving for Javascript programming...

If someone can show me a good page to make anything at all work passing variables from an iframe to the parent window in mozilla please fill me in :/

Right now the javascript on my page works 100% in IE but not at all in Firefox 🙁

planetsim

Hmm.. that isnt a great reason not to like FireFox. The reason its not working in FF is more than likely because your using and IE only thing. btw Javascript in FF i have found is much easier then IE as it actually follows the standards instead of creating new ones

[edit]
You probably should use a Javascript Lint use god to find one.
[/edit]

Jinks

you gonna cry because i like IE?

What's a javascript lint? I tried some searches and couldnt find what im looking for. Support for mozilla based javascript application is garbage compared.. like i said if someone can suggest a good page that shows some compatible javascripting ill be happy.

my form validations aren't working and my page doesn't want to communicate with my imbedded iframes :o

anywhoo.. ya.. Personnally i dont notice much difference other than a bit less bloated of a program ( but i dont notice the bloat ). With google toolbar and XP sp2 i dont get any popups and ive never had a security issue.

vaaaska

Originally posted by Jinks
no.. ?

im just saying IE is much easier and forgiving for Javascript programming...

Right now the javascript on my page works 100% in IE but not at all in Firefox 🙁

Hahaha...lol! Good for you!!!

Good luck...v

(This person just doesn't get it do they?)

drawmack

Originally posted by Jinks
no.. ?

im just saying IE is much easier and forgiving for Javascript programming...

If someone can show me a good page to make anything at all work passing variables from an iframe to the parent window in mozilla please fill me in :/

Right now the javascript on my page works 100% in IE but not at all in Firefox 🙁

IE is not standards compliant at all. With css the height attribute works as the min-height attribute is supposed to and there is no way to fake the height attribute. With javascript they call it Jscript because they changed a bunch of things in it. Standard compliant javascript runs beautifully in IE but code that runs in IE may not work in other browsers. there are too many HTML standards violations to even begin to mention them.

IE does not have a javascript debugger built in, but most everyother browser does. Pull up you page with the non-working javascript in firefox and then jype javascript: in the url bar. It'll bring up the javascript debugger giving you the line number of the offending code and a brief (though sometimes cryptic) explaination of what is wrong.

IE is completely insecure. The main security problem in IE is the allowance of ActiveX components. Gives the hacker to much access to the system. However there are other problems, for example a weakness right now is allowing script kiddies to hack into your system database using JS and MS is saying that poeple should fix it by turning off JS. So you want to do your scripting in an environment whose manufacturer is recommending you don't use scripting in it, go ahead. The third security problem is that IE is too tightly coupled with the OS. When you tightly couple a browser to the OS it becomes very difficult to create a tight sandbox for the browser to play in.

Don't get me wrong firefox has it's problems too. One of which is that it's open source so even deeply embedded and archaic security flaws can easily be found and exploited by hackers. However, the problems in firefox, opera, etc. are not nearly as glaring as the problems that IE has.

Just look at the version numbers. IE hasn't had a major overhaul in something like 8 years but the other browsers are getting them yearly. It is impossible to keep up with the web's changing technologies if you don't overhaul your software on a regular basis.

planetsim

Don't get me wrong firefox has it's problems too. One of which is that it's open source so even deeply embedded and archaic security flaws can easily be found and exploited by hackers. However, the problems in firefox, opera, etc. are not nearly as glaring as the problems that IE has.

Yes very true however the difference with Firefox and IE or should i say the open source browsers, they all get fixed extremely quickly and i havent seen once where a patch had to be patched :p

you gonna cry because i like IE?

What's a javascript lint? I tried some searches and couldnt find what im looking for. Support for mozilla based javascript application is garbage compared.. like i said if someone can suggest a good page that shows some compatible javascripting ill be happy.

Na im not going to cry id rather laugh :p

A Javascript Lint is basically a validation of javascript which makes sure its all good and valid a simple use of god would have got you the result.

drawmack

Originally posted by planetsim
Yes very true however the difference with Firefox and IE or should i say the open source browsers, they all get fixed extremely quickly and i havent seen once where a patch had to be patched :p

Yes I agree, was simply pointing out that alternatives to IE aren't perfect they are just better.

Jinks

so you all know all the problems with IE javascripting and such.. but still no link to some mozilla compliant javascript commands 🙁

I thought i was using standardized stuff but i guess not. .

function send_process(varName, varText) {

var input = document.input_form.text_input;
var output = window.input_message.firstChild;
var process_message = 'Processing Command...';

input.focus();

if (window.event.keyCode == 13 && output.data != process_message && input.value.length > 0) {
	input.disabled=true;
	output.data=process_message;
	var textout = varName+'='+varText;
	top.process.location='process.php?'+textout;
}
if (input.value == '') {
	window.input_message.firstChild.data='Enter Command';
}
else if (input.value.indexOf('enter') == 0) {
	window.input_message.firstChild.data='<building name> or <building id>';
}
else if (input.value.indexOf('talk') == 0) {
	window.input_message.firstChild.data='<npc name> or <npc id>';
}
else if (input.value.indexOf('say') == 0) {
	window.input_message.firstChild.data='<message> or <topic>';
}
else if (input.value.indexOf('put') == 0) {
	window.input_message.firstChild.data='<item> ( in cart )';
}
else if (input.value.indexOf('list') == 0) {
	window.input_message.firstChild.data='shops or items or characters or npcs';
}
else  
	window.input_message.firstChild.data='Enter Command';

}

</script>

help?

drawmack

I see about three things in there that are windows specific, however this is not a javascript forum. If you want javascript help please use a javascript forum.

Jinks

hah thanks. can take the time to reply to my stupid question but cant put in the one little code difference 🙁 This is the general area.. and this topic has sorta turned into a javascript topic.. so im not totally off base in myquestion..

And im not trying to bash firefox.. Im just saying it's not working for the way i do it :p

drawmack

Originally posted by Jinks
hah thanks. can take the time to reply to my stupid question but cant put in the one little code difference 🙁 This is the general area.. and this topic has sorta turned into a javascript topic.. so im not totally off base in myquestion..

And im not trying to bash firefox.. Im just saying it's not working for the way i do it :p

And we're saying that your choices are reasearch the browser independent method or have a broke ass site. In order for me to post the fixes to your code I would have to set up a complete test environment, including input forms and such - which you kindly didn't provide me with the html for. Then I would have to debug and fix your code. After all of this I would have to post the fixes. Instead I told you how I would go about fixing the page:

Step 1) Install firefox
Step 2) Type javascript: into the url bar
Step 3) Bring up and use the page with the broken scripts
Step 4) Begin decifering and fixing the errors reported in the javascript debugger.

Let me ask you a question. Would you rather I spoon feed you the corrections for this script or I teach you how to fix your own scripts?

drawmack

Back on topic:

Weedpacket

Back off-topic again.

Originally posted by Jinks
it's not working for the way i do it :p

So why not take the time to learn how do it properly?

(I had ten minutes I didn't know what to do with, so I did the following. Now I don't know what to do with the other four. A couple more haiku, perhaps?)

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<title>A really boring page</title>
<script xml:space="preserve" language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
//<![CDATA[
<!--
function do_another_thing()
{
 var theiframe = document.getElementById('theiframe');
 var itsdocument = theiframe.contentWindow.document;
 var itsbody = itsdocument.body;
 itsbody.innerHTML="<span style='font-family:serif;'>Where did he go?</span>";
}
//-->
//]]>
</script>
</head>
<body>
<iframe id="theiframe" src="file:///c:/test.html" style="border: none; width:100px; height:100px;">No iframe, buddy.</iframe> 
<form action=""><input type="text" id="cheers" name="cheers" width="20" value="..." />
<input type="button" value="Boink!" onClick="do_another_thing()"> 
</form>
</body>
</html>

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<title>Page title</title>
<script xml:space="preserve" language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
//<![CDATA[
<!--
function do_my_thing()
{
 var parent_window = window.parent;
 var that_text_field = parent_window.document.getElementById('cheers');
 that_text_field.value='HOWZAT!!!';
}
//-->
//]]>
</script>
</head>
<body style="background-color:red;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold;" onload="do_my_thing()">
Here be the iframe
</body>
</html>

Needless to say, the latter is the content of the iframe. Set the src= attribute in the former to whatever is appropriate. Obviously, for you to adapt it to your particular situation you're going to have to a bit of thinking of your own.

vaaaska

Originally posted by Jinks
And im not trying to bash firefox.. Im just saying it's not working for the way i do it :p

"We are the world,
we are the children..."

:rolleyes: