ok thx, i was hoping thats what the answer was
another thing with this plan... im thinking that i will need three tables in total...
table 1: will be the "banner" bar at the top of the page, spanning the entire page (so width 100%) aligned middle and with only one column and row
table 2: will be the navigation bar on the left hand side, aligned left and width of prolly 180 pixels or so.... it will have one column and as many rows as needed for all my links (prolly around 10 or so)
table 3: im not sure about this one, but .... it will be the "content" table consisting of one column and one row... no alignement and it will be 100%, so it takes up the rest of the screen correct?
the other thing that im a little lost about is how the links are coded in the navigation table so that they open up in the content table? with frames you just specify what frame you want them to open up in, is there something similar with tables?
also, instead of coding each one of these tables for each page, i was going to just use include statements for each, does it matter what order i put my include statements in?
again, thx for all the help, this site kicks a$$!!