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jebster · 2005-01-04T06:28:47+00:00

Anyone know of any tutorials for people with good knowledge of PHP wanting to learn C? I'm having a hard time getting into C.. Are there any alternatives to...

goldbug

Originally posted by planetsim
Secondly you can use a simple text editor for C# and I believe there is a free C# compiler available.

From MS even! It's part of the .NET SDK, if my memory serves me.

Weedpacket

Originally posted by jebster
Can you give me an example of what you mean?

Okay, I've got coin denomination 5¢, 10¢, 20¢, 50¢, $1, and $2. To make $1.45 in change using as few coins as possible would use a $1 coin, two 20¢ coins, and one 5¢ coin. $1.55 = $1+50¢+5¢; and 80¢ = 50¢+20¢+10¢.

First I'm going to have to look those up to find out what exactly they do LOL

See? Linux would be a better platform to learn on 😃. These are all capable of describing what they do themselves by means of a command-line switch ("split --help", for example). That help is more of a quick reference/reminder, but they do come with their own manuals which are also accessible from the shell itself (another standard utility is man - "man split" will give you split's manual). There are enough copies of all these manuals up on the web now that Googling for "man split" will generally have much the same effect.

pohopo

I prefer the strictness of C over non strict languages (VB/PHP/etc) and it really is not so bad once you get used to it. And processor wise it is more efficient.

And the C# compiler is free, you can code it in notepad, and they do have a free editor for .NET called Web Matrix. It was built by MS for those that do not want to shell out the money for Visual Studio.

The downside (for many) is you have to use a Windows server.

jebster

Originally posted by Weedpacket
Okay, I've got coin denomination 5¢, 10¢, 20¢, 50¢, $1, and $2. To make $1.45 in change using as few coins as possible would use a $1 coin, two 20¢ coins, and one 5¢ coin. $1.55 = $1+50¢+5¢; and 80¢ = 50¢+20¢+10¢.

ahh, now I'll get it! I give it a go. 🙂

Originally posted by Weedpacket
See? Linux would be a better platform to learn on 😃. These are all capable of describing what they do themselves by means of a command-line switch ("split --help", for example). That help is more of a quick reference/reminder, but they do come with their own manuals which are also accessible from the shell itself (another standard utility is man - "man split" will give you split's manual). There are enough copies of all these manuals up on the web now that Googling for "man split" will generally have much the same effect.

Well, lets just hope I find a computer so I can install linux and leave this MS crap behind 🙂

So, C# programs, they won't work on Linux right? Cause I think I'm going to leave MS completely, except for games.. I have had enough headaches from them to last the rest of my life.

Weedpacket

Originally posted by jebster
Well, lets just hope I find a computer so I can install linux and leave this MS crap behind 🙂

Most (at least the major) Linux distributions will give you the option to install Linux on a computer that already has Windows installed, allowing you to run both on the same machine. Before installation, you defragment the hard drive (to shove all the Windows stuff up to one end), and then you can install Linux in the space that's left. Linux will still be able to access the Windows filesystem (Linux knows about Windows filesystems) but as far as Windows is concerned it will mean that the hard drive looks smaller (because it doesn't recognise any filesystems other than those used by Windows).

OTTOMH I think 10-20GB is a reasonable size for a first Linux partition.

(As ever it's more complicated than that under the surface: many Linux installation processes will create two or three partitions, possibly using different filesystems - one for applications, one for user data, and one for swap space. Windows lumps them all into one file system (using a "Documents and Settings" folder and a swapfile instead). But not to worry - in Linux it all still ends up looking like a single big drive - and in Windows a single small drive!)

planetsim

If your only planning on using it for programming and dont require too much even 6-8gb can be sufficient some Linux Distros will require 2Gb however depending on your Install you may not have to use 2Gb.

From there make sure you install gcc as thats the compiler however im pretty sure most linux distros will make sure this is installed regardless as its required for building programs from source.

If your not use to Linux or never used it before it will be daunting at first, however dont let that get in the way, you will find you use the Shell Quite a bit, so learn some of the basic commands. Like changing a directory, moving files, deleting files, finding files etc.

Im not sure on some of the Linux GUIs out there hoever KDE and Gnome have GUIs for this to make it easier however the Shell will be more powerful you plan on doing things with certain file names.

jebster

Well, as long as 40Gigs is enough space I'm good. Cause if I do end up getting a computer, linux is going to get it's own hard drive 🙂

Is using linux without a GUI similar to DOS? Cause if it is, then it should be no problem. 🙂 And if it is more difficult, I have plenty of time to learn!

I'm playing around with Java(1.4.2_06) right now, and was wondering if it had a manual like the one you can download for PHP in CHM format?

Man soon I am going to be an elite hacker(note: I do not mean cracker) with knowledge I will posses. :rolleyes: :p hehe

planetsim

You probably should get at least good at a language before moving on.

This is something that may help http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/ its a lot bigger than PHPs Manual.

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Sorry didnt read the download part of it http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html#docs

I dont know if its similar layout as the other but you should probably book mark the other link as well.
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jebster

Originally posted by planetsim
You probably should get at least good at a language before moving on.

This is something that may help http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/ its a lot bigger than PHPs Manual.

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Sorry didnt read the download part of it http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html#docs

I dont know if its similar layout as the other but you should probably book mark the other link as well.
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Thanks, and learning a couple at a time isn't hard for me, well, no harder then one at a time(:o), once it's up inside my brain it fine. Besides, I'm just fiddling with Java to see what it's like 😉

planetsim

Well once you know the basics of Programming learning a couple at a time isnt a hard feat however you will never get any good at them considering your sharing your time on other languages. However I have looked at Java its quite an easy language however there are just so many classes and different sections in Java for someone that just plays with it for a short time will probably need to relearn what each class does (this is the only thing I hate about Java).

jebster

Yep, just playing with it right now. I can't do much in C, cause my computer tends to crash after awhile(20 minutes :bemused: ) of using Dev-Cpp, and I don't know of any other good, free IDE's for C. And that is why I am buying a new computer 🙂

planetsim

Ok thats pretty weird have you done any virus scanning or spyware/adware checks? Have you got the min requirements for Devcpp?

I dont know of any other good free IDEs i dont use any at the moment just your normal text editor and gcc however it is quite a pain having to go to the shell all the time.

jebster

I use the lastest version of McAfee, Ad-Aware, Spybot, and Spywareblaster... I think the problem is my computer is a piece of crap! LOL It's a Compaq with a 500mhz Celeron proc. 320mb ram, and a nearly full 40gig HD, it's been maybe 2 years since it was last formated and the OS reinstalled cause I have nowhere to put all my data, it only has 1 hard drive bay...

Weedpacket

I haven't used it much myself yet, but KDevelop looks serviceable.