IE vs. FireFox

rage2021

How I hate IE. With FireFox your page will look better and be more simpler to code. For example i use a for loop to display all the picture's(thumbnails) in a folder. With Firefox it display's like 5 thumbnails per row and then goes to the next row automaticly so everything is fit to screen. WIth IE it displays all thumbnails on one row and you have to scroll horizontally to view them. Any ways around stuff like this with IE?

P.S. I fixed this paticular situation with an if statement but in future cases is there a way to make firefox and IE both compatible so they have the same output?

Odublar

I can agree and disagree on this one. In some cases, mostly with the <frameset> commands, Mozilla/linux, and firefox all display tables wrong, and sometimes alignments are off for no good reason. As for the question, I have no Idea, but I'm sure someone else here knows all about ways around it. Hope you get some help.

Kudose

rage2021 wrote:
P.S. I fixed this paticular situation with an if statement but in future cases is there a way to make firefox and IE both compatible so they have the same output?

Conform to W3C standards.

Most likely the reason why IE is going on forever and FireFox isn't, is because you didnt format your tables correctly and FireFox fixed them for you during the Presentation (OSI Layer 6) process.

halojoy

Kudose wrote:
Conform to W3C standards.

Most likely the reason why IE is going on forever and FireFox isn't, is because you didnt format your tables correctly and FireFox fixed them for you during the Presentation (OSI Layer 6) process.

I use nothing but Opera ( 7.54 ) New version 8 is even better!
I think Opera conforms good to standards
and developers use Opera, because if it works in Opera
your code will work in most everyone else ( who is more forgiving regarding bad standards )

Comparing tests I have seen say Opera covers best CSS features.

I say, if you havent tested latest Opera versions ( not to be compared with old versions )
you really should give it a try!

Has features like:
auto reload of any page at custom intervall, like every 30 sec, 1,5,10 minutes or whatever

/halojoy

mzanimephp

Kudose wrote:
Conform to W3C standards. Most likely the reason why IE is going on forever and FireFox isn't, is because you didnt format your tables correctly and FireFox fixed them for you during the Presentation (OSI Layer 6) process.

Question. What is OSI Layer 6??? Also, yes I agree. Make sure your page adheres to the current W3C spec, and you can be pretty sure that it'll render pretty consistently accross browsers.

http://validator.w3.org Validate your HTML code and that'll ensure that you don't have any missing <td> or <tr> tags, which may be causing the rendering glitch.

halojoy wrote:
I use nothing but Opera ( 7.54 ) New version 8 is even better!

LOL! Wow, this has to be the first time I've ever heard someone say that. True, in some aspects Opera is ahead of the game, (CSS/Small Screen Rendering) but I have always hated Opera because their browser had those awful Ads, up until now, do they decide to make their browser free.

dalecosp

One strong thing about Opera is the ability to change UA strings in the Preferences dialog. So I can see some IE problems before I have to even fire up a Windows box.....

Kudose

OSI Layer 6 is the presentation layer. This layer converts data for display by the application layer (Layer 7).

fr600

Whenever I work with a PHP project, I always test it with IE, Firefox and Opera. I may prefer Firefox but there are lot's of people who uses other browsers. And dear friends, I believe you don't make a site just for yourself. So in my opinion you should give equal priority to all browsers when you create a web based software. And believe me, they all works prefect if you code html correctly.

Tomato

I always code my sites to be displayed perfectly with Firefox. Most of the time it shows exactly the same on Opera, however on IE, the piece of outdated sht always seems to fck things up. Especially if you're using CSS to build your layout from scratch. I hope the program soon dies a horrible death, so I don't have to f*ck up my css, hacking in IE overrides. Just a opinion.

halojoy

Fierefox seems to rule

The King is dead - long live the New King

/halojoy - going against the streams - with his Opera

🙂

halojoy

I decided to upgrade Opera 7.54 to New Opera 8.50
and guess what
The Advertising is gone now!

( Opera 7 had Advertising sponsored free version and this took of course a piece of Screen space, in the toprows of Browser page display )

I chose to FTP download Version for my Redhat 8.0
I decide to download
Opera-8.50.rpm instead of tar.gz file
( .rpm files is auto-install package in RedHat, like Windows have )

I chose to 'open' Opera-8.50.rpm from the download popup window
instead of download and 'save'

This opened the auto install file .rpm
and Opera did install
WITH MY old PREFERENCES and BOOKMARKS perfectly kept intact!!!

IMPRESSIVE!!! Thanks Opera!

So now I write this
to you all in my AUTO INSTALLED VERSION of Latest Opera 8.50
without Advertising = Bigger www.phpbuilder.com browser view

/halojoy - Happy going to the Opera

😃

paulnaj

Firefox might rule with programmers, but average users use IE. Nobody uses Opera except programmers (who wants another set of banner ads bugging you).

I have attempted to convert my office colleagues (non-programmers) to use Firefox, but they just keep on going back to IE. Reason: lots of current websites have features that break in Firefox.

Nobody's mentioned Safari ... most of my clients are graphic designers on Macs. This is yet another variant of Mozilla and has another set of things that don't look/act the same as Firefox ... in fact, it seems to work closer to IE than anything else!!

So, it's all well and good hoping that IE will go away, but if you want to keep most of your users, you have to code for it. And it's all well and good to conform to W3c, but if that means it doesn't work in IE, then I personally would reject the standard and provide something that does work in IE, w3c or not. That way, I stay in business.

And anyway, as someone said already, good solid coding will work on IE, Firefox, Opera and Safari.

Paul 🙂

halojoy

paulnaj wrote:
Firefox might rule with programmers, but average users use IE. Nobody uses Opera except programmers (who wants another set of banner ads bugging you).
Paul 🙂

See my above INSTALL of Opera

Advertising present in previuos version 7.54
is gone
in latest Opera 8.50 version

This takes away 1 more argument
for not using Opera

Still Firefox might be better
but I wouldnt change now

/halojoy - like developers love his Opera - Opera 8.50

halojoy

more 🆒

One detail I noticed right away, besides Advertising gone,
is

That when editing my posts
and click an insert BBCode tag
it does add at cursor
and not appended to last line, as before

GREAT 🙂

for example in this text, I inserted bold italic around 'at cursor'
after writing this last line

/halojoy 'Opera-8.50' Sweden

🙂

paulnaj

halojoy wrote:
Advertising present in previuos version 7.54
is gone
in latest Opera 8.50 version

Oops, missed that. Well, that was my big reason not to consider Opera, but I use Firefox myself anyway.

It still leaves us with the fact that you can't rely on code that looks good in Opera necessarily looking good in IE, which is the only really important browser at the moment, at least for commercial websites.

When I glance at my web logs, all I find is IE. If I look a little harder there's a tiny % of Firefox and Safari. Opera may be listed once or twice.

Paul 🙂

Jack_McSlay

erm, how are you displaying the thumbnails? I don't recall firefox moving to the next line when doing a table with too much columns, and I don't recall IE showing all images in one row when not using < br>

either way, the safest solution is to use a dual for loop so it will make a table with fixed columns, as it ensures the site will look the same wether the user is on IE or firefox.

<?
$num_cols = 5;
$thumbs = array ('thumb1.jpg','thumb2.jpg','thumb3.jpg','thumb4.jpg');

echo '<table>';
for ($x=0;isset ($thumbs[$x*$num_cols]);$x++){
   echo '<tr>';
   for ($y=0;isset ($thumbs[$x*$num_cols+$y]) and $y < $num_cols;$y++){
      $index = $x*$num_cols+$y;
      echo "<td><img src={$thumbs[$index]} ></td>";
   }
   echo '</tr>';
}
echo '</table>'

mzanimephp

halojoy wrote:
Fierefox seems to rule

The King is dead - long live the New King

That may not be the case for long. Microsoft is boasting that IE7 will have full support for CSS2 and will adhere to many W3C standards that they previously got wrong in IE6. If CSS2 is fully supported as it should be, then that'll mean we'll finally be able to use some of the most advanced features of CSS, such as generated content, abstract selectors, :hover on all elements, position:fixed on all elements, fly-out menus made from only CSS, and thats only to name a few.

IE7 might very well make a huge leap beyond anything Firefox has been able to accomplish thus far.

mzanimephp

halojoy wrote:
Fierefox seems to rule

The King is dead - long live the New King

That may not be the case for long. Microsoft is boasting that IE7 will have full support for CSS2 and will adhere to many W3C standards that they previously got wrong in IE6.

If CSS2 is fully supported as it should be, then that'll mean we'll finally be able to use some of the most advanced features of CSS, such as generated content, abstract selectors, :hover on all elements, position:fixed on all elements, fly-out menus made from only CSS, and thats only to name a few.

IE7 might very well make a huge leap beyond anything Firefox has been able to accomplish thus far. (In regards the online user experience to the general population that is.)

halojoy

mzanimephp wrote:
That may not be the case for long. Microsoft is boasting that IE7 will have full support for CSS2 and will adhere to many W3C standards that they previously got wrong in IE6.

If CSS2 is fully supported as it should be, then that'll mean we'll finally be able to use some of the most advanced features of CSS, such as generated content, abstract selectors, :hover on all elements, position:fixed on all elements, fly-out menus made from only CSS, and thats only to name a few.

IE7 might very well make a huge leap beyond anything Firefox has been able to accomplish thus far. (In regards the online user experience to the general population that is.)

What I think I remember from reading
one of the main developers involved in work with CSS2
is also involved as developer of OPERA

Each new lateast version of any Browser
might be ahead of the others, at least in some rerspects
as they have the latest features to match HTML and CSS and whatever standards, which also changes

I guess whichever of the big 2 FireFox, IE and maybe Opera and a few others
are good browsers with their own special strong sides

and maybe weaknesses, too