Death of MSIE?

dalecosp

One might hope? 😃

http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-201105-201205

Steve_R_Jones

I used to love threads like this... I would encourage everyone to switch to other browsers thinking that the whackers and hackers would follow and us IE users would be more secure.

Then I finally switched to FF:p

NogDog

IE won't die until MS windows dies, which probably is not in the immediate future. 😉

Also, I wonder how many of the Chrome hits are coming from Android devices?

Bonesnap

I wish!

I don't mind IE9, but even that has several issues (not supporting text-shadow being the most glaring to me). IE10 sounds to be pretty promising but the problem with these browsers is they don't run on XP (IE10 won't even run an Vista), which still commands a huge percentage of the online market share.

EDIT:

NetMarketShare is showing a very different story. From Q2 2011 to Q2 2012 it's showing IE as pretty much maintaining its market share, maybe even increasing slightly. They also show it at ~54%.

Unless the StatsCounter graph is actually reporting IE8 (and not all of them), which is on par with NetMarketShare's report of ~26.92%.

dalecosp

Yeah, like all stats, anyone's guess is probably "pretty good".

Our user base seems to be about 45% IE, more/less. I'm still tired of worrying about what else I have to do to make it work in it, though. Particularly since I read that IE adoption speeds are quite impossible to predict (don't worry, designers ... half your users will be up to IE9 standards by .... 2015 or so).

Thing I note is that when you pare the results down by continent, or perhaps even by country, you see the regional differences. IE is biggest over here, and in Europe and Asia there are plenty of people on Chrome or FF.

dalecosp

NogDog;11005662 wrote:
Also, I wonder how many of the Chrome hits are coming from Android devices?

Good thought. But aren't they really running Safari?

Derokorian

dalecosp;11005673 wrote:
Good thought. But aren't they really running Safari?

As your link shows, no they are not running Safari - they are running WebKit hence the safari reference in the UA but notice the difference:

Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 4.0.4; Galaxy Nexus Build/IMM76B)
AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.133 Mobile
Safari/535.19

Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543 Safari/419.3

Also...

jeepin81

IE needs to go.... It's my nemesis.

On that note - what is going on at Microsoft? Seems like they keep falling further and further behind. I previewed Windows 8 and it was more confusing than anything. Are they putting all their effort into that Surface thing?

Bonesnap

I launched a friend's website last night and ended up spending an additional three hours "fixing" my CSS so it would display properly in IE7. I spent about an hour to an hour and a half "fixing" my CSS so it would display properly in IE8. I hate IE.

cretaceous

I'm just not happy about the FF update cycle. I had mine locked on 3.6 and it just today did a force update to 12 - ok, I can understand why, but I don't like the redesign.
(I at least have "old taskbar" add-on to force it into old style) .
It's my workhorse so every time something changes it's a PITA to adjust my brain.

So in revenge I downloaded the ESR (enterprise) version
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html
It only updates once a year (apart from security upgrades) so am now back on 10 - at least I wont have 8 FF "download and installs" per year and 8 worries that add ons are not going to work.

Does Chrome do things like 'web developer' plug in and firebug??

edit:
..and fiddling around with the graphs on stat counter (making sure I'm up to date on screen size, actual OS in use etc etc) - how come Belarus in Eastern Europe is the world's largest user of Opera at 36% of users?

Derokorian

Yes, chrome has developer tools, a javascript console and the ability to right click any where on a page and inspect element which allows you to see all inherited styles (and whether they are over written by other styles) and the computer styles (including not explicitly defined styles). I think they tools are great and I don't even use FF any more for those purposes. Just to test that my output works in that browser, much the same way I use Opera, Safari and IE heh. Chrome is my does all browser now.

Weedpacket

Anyone else find it amusing that the graphs are drawn using Flash instead of on an HTML5 canvas?

Derokorian

Weedpacket;11005759 wrote:
Anyone else find it amusing that the graphs are drawn using Flash instead of on an HTML5 canvas?

See the picture I posted regarding HTML5 - they need IE people to be able to view the graph!

Bonesnap

cretaceous;11005756 wrote:
I'm just not happy about the FF update cycle. I had mine locked on 3.6 and it just today did a force update to 12 - ok, I can understand why, but I don't like the redesign.
(I at least have "old taskbar" add-on to force it into old style) .
It's my workhorse so every time something changes it's a PITA to adjust my brain.

So in revenge I downloaded the ESR (enterprise) version
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html
It only updates once a year (apart from security upgrades) so am now back on 10 - at least I wont have 8 FF "download and installs" per year and 8 worries that add ons are not going to work.

Does Chrome do things like 'web developer' plug in and firebug??

Why did you want to stick with Firefox 3.6? Firefox 4 was so much better. Lighter, faster, and more standards-compliant. Some add-ons broke but those have been fixed long ago. I dropped Firefox in favour of Chrome until 4 was released and I went back. I don't even think Firefox 3.6 supports rounded corners (without vendor-specific prefixes).

I'm always eagerly awaiting the next Firefox update to see what new things they bring to the browser. Only one of my add-ons stopped working (it was an add-on to open the "view source" in a new tab instead of a new window) and that was around version 9 or 10, but the developer updated it and it's been fine ever since; that was the only time an add-on broke for me.

Derokorian;11005757 wrote:
Yes, chrome has developer tools, a javascript console and the ability to right click any where on a page and inspect element which allows you to see all inherited styles (and whether they are over written by other styles) and the computer styles (including not explicitly defined styles). I think they tools are great and I don't even use FF any more for those purposes. Just to test that my output works in that browser, much the same way I use Opera, Safari and IE heh. Chrome is my does all browser now.

Chrome would be my do-it-all browser but honestly I'm not a fan of Webkit and I think Gecko is much better (I especially notice issues with rendering fonts). It just seems like things look so much better in Firefox than they do in Chrome. Plus, Firebug + Web Developer gives you everything you need to debug.

cretaceous

Bonesnap;11005764 wrote:
Why did you want to stick with Firefox 3.6? Firefox 4 was so much better.

I may have been on 4 for all I know - it's 100% luddism on my part.
(My 'malsup' round corners were fine anyway!) I do run a version of Chrome but only for html checks

I hate the interminable updates and restarts and "No, postpone restart dammit" for Windows/java/FF/anti-virus of choice. It takes too long.
That's why I no longer test on Safari - too many updates of Apple crud I don't use.

I never like a PC OS change either, as it means learning new interface and finding which bodges are available to make the things that annoy me behave as they were on older version.

It's like driving a car - you expect all the controls to be in the same place - especially when it's your own car.
I can get used to driving on other side of the road easier than I can when indicator switch/gear lever/hand brake move to being used by the other hand.
Maybe I should change career to vegetable growing.😕
(whoops, gone way off topic here - IE8 onwards seems to behave itself fairly well..)

dalecosp

cretaceous wrote:
IE8 onwards seems to behave itself fairly wel..)

I dunno, I'm chasing a bug (well ... it's one of about 3 dozen :eek🙂 that's exclusive to all versions of MSIE < 9.

Love your pics, Derokorian ... if such a thing as "spare time" occurs here, they'll be headed to the printer for posting in the cube....

derokorian wrote:
Chrome is my does all browser now

I still like Firebug a little better ... not sure why; familiarity, probably. That said, Chrome is the "personal" browser and FF the "work browser" ... I generally have enough tabs open in both that putting them all in one or the other would yield quite an unmanageable situation...

cretaceous

dalecosp;11005784 wrote:
I dunno, I'm chasing a bug (well ... it's one of about 3 dozen :eek🙂 that's exclusive to all versions of MSIE < 9.

IE 10 (think it's 10 - this was a few months ago) has a weird thing where the JS engine takes your hand crafted JS and rewrites it in its own way.
It broke some hacky thing I did so that an array kept returning NaN when I had code in there to say if it's NaN return '0'
It was only by looking at the source that I saw IE had altered the code - weird.

Bonesnap

cretaceous;11005769 wrote:
I may have been on 4 for all I know - it's 100% luddism on my part.
(My 'malsup' round corners were fine anyway!) I do run a version of Chrome but only for html checks

I hate the interminable updates and restarts and "No, postpone restart dammit" for Windows/java/FF/anti-virus of choice. It takes too long.
That's why I no longer test on Safari - too many updates of Apple crud I don't use.

I never like a PC OS change either, as it means learning new interface and finding which bodges are available to make the things that annoy me behave as they were on older version.

It's like driving a car - you expect all the controls to be in the same place - especially when it's your own car.
I can get used to driving on other side of the road easier than I can when indicator switch/gear lever/hand brake move to being used by the other hand.
Maybe I should change career to vegetable growing.😕
(whoops, gone way off topic here - IE8 onwards seems to behave itself fairly well..)

I don't know, I don't have any problem learning new UIs or stuff like that, and really the differences between things like browsers and browser versions are subtle. If we don't learn new things we'll never evolve. Plus we're young (most of us, anyway) and computer savvy - we can catch onto this stuff pretty easily.

My dad hates Windows 7 simply because by default the "Computer" icon isn't on the desktop.

dalecosp

Young? I wish.

Halfway to 90 now... :rolleyes:

dalecosp

cretaceous;11005792 wrote:
IE 10 (think it's 10 - this was a few months ago) has a weird thing where the JS engine takes your hand crafted JS and rewrites it in its own way.
It broke some hacky thing I did so that an array kept returning NaN when I had code in there to say if it's NaN return '0'
It was only by looking at the source that I saw IE had altered the code - weird.

Gotta hate that.

Not because it's unexpected from THAT vendor though 😉