php is a crap

Anon

I had a bunch of pages optimized for google and
one the lines of code was checking for googlebot
string in HTTP_REFERER. Now, for several month
stristr() worked as shown in PHP documentation
and would return \"false\" if string not found,
today after investigating a strange behaivior
I found out that now stristr() started returning blank string instead of \"false\". Now how do you call this ? I call it a crap unreliable scripting language.
I was surprised before why there is not a single PHP job posted at computerjobs.com, I guess I know now why.

Anon

So what do you use? ASP..Now THAT is a crap language...

-j

icaro

hadn't you used
echo false;
, had you?
cause it will print a blank string,

do a test like this:
if ($var == false) echo '$var is false! php not sucks';
else echo '$var is not false! php sucks!! gona try asp!!!';

icaro

and if you are sure that your script is not wrong and your server is ok and your php compilation is fine, take a look at

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.stristr.php

if the function description doesnt match the reality, tell them about the php-jobs and reliability.

gerardg

lol

Anon

it does return false, just prints blank (thanks ic).

jason, asp as a scripting lang is not the best for development if you do know all its bugs but the true power of asp is in its ability to extend through COM interface
(and now .NET's .aspx) which makes it very attractive for Win32 developers because it allow s to create
super fast websites. Do not make your judgement
by a buggy asp websites you see all over the net, most of asp sites on the net are done by asp rookies who has no clue (like me in php).

brandonschnell

you sir are an idiot.

unless you post code that can recreate the problem and demonstrate a bug with php, no one really cares.

if you want to talk about unreliable and crap scripting languages, lets talk about ASP & COM components. Reboots on a regular basis are fun. Keeping a user logged onto the server (but the screen locked) so that ASP & MS SQL format dates in the right format is fun (date formats are user specific. no logged on user = default date format). Forget to have a user logged on or have someone else logged on means scripts fail to run. Having COM components suddenly stop responding to MTS until a system reboot is fun. ASP scripts that fail to run for no obvious reason when under a different site in IIS is the highlight of my day.

so now that i've gotten that out of my system:
1) Post the minimal amount of code necessary to recreate the issue. We here have an extremely short attention span.

2) When troubleshooting ANYTHING assume you screwed up somewhere first, and ask your self what did you change.

3) If it works somewhere else and no one can find fault with the code then its likely a software corruption issue. Completely reinstall PHP.

4) If it still fails, only then you might have a bug. Upgrade PHP.

I've got boxes running LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP) with uptimes exceeding a year with 0 problems with Apache/MySQL/PHP. Don't blame a tool (and a free one at that) that you don't know how to use.

Anon

But, alas, it's not platform independent and ends up costing your clients mUCHO dollars to set up (They gotta buy a server AND install it with IIS or NT, OR they have to buy something like ChiliSoft...)...in all I feel ASP is not the best coding for the web.

I'll stick with PHP, JSP, and Java...

-j

Anon

WHOO HOO!!! go Brandon!

LAMP...I like that! Never heard of it...

-j

icaro

come on people.. give him some time, everyone have bad days... 🙂

ic(arus godjegus)

Anon

You DON'T have to install ASP unless you're running a Win98 server. Now that's just plain stupid.

Doesn't the client have to buy a server to INSTALL php on Linux?

Anon

Yeah, but that's it! Linux, PHP and MySQL are all open-source....

which means: No operating system license to worry about...

gee, what is Windows 2000 cost now? $300+?

-j

Anon

Not getting at PHP, I know it's a powerful language and perhaps better than ASP and CFML, but I'm thinking you're a bit of a thicko when configuring IIS.

I question you having a server online for over one year - not unless you have a farm.

Don't you ever install critical updates? Linux has them too. Never upgrade your kernel?

I use COM+ on my Win2k server without any problems what-so-ever.

As for ASP & SQL-Server's date format! That's ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! Date formats are not user-specific. Locales eradicate this.

As for scripts not running because no-one or someone else is logged on is garbage! Servers shouldn't have users actively using them! If I were to reboot my server and walk away without logging on - it would still be accessable to the Internet once loaded.

Don't slag something you obviously know bugger all about!

Anon

Win 2k is expensive - too expensive for all the updates we've got to do... but you've still got to buy a server to run your OS on.

brandonschnell

Win98 is a client operating system, not a server. Running PWS on Win98 doesn't make much sense in the first place.

assuming the server hardware costs the same under Windows or Linux, the total cost of hardware & software will be more for the Windows solution. It costs money for the licensing of Win(nt/2k/xp) & MS SQL.

The MS solution only makes sense when the cost of development + support + licensing costs is less than the development + support costs for PHP. of course this assumes both languages can get the job done.

brandonschnell

[brandon@files brandon]$ uptime
1:41pm up 386 days, 3:18, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01

verify it here:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=www.schnell.to

and thats just a mac running linuxppc at home on a dsl. got a couple boxes at work behind a firewall performing similiarly.

if you're careful in choosing a stable platform and kernel, updates are rarely necessary. most can be fixed without a reboot or affecting other systems. block off ports that don't need to be accessed by external systems.

COM+ problems were affecting a number of scripts i was maintaining that were written by someone else. it still occured after reimaging the server and trying a different server. I ended up rewriting most of them in straight ASP which fixed the problem.

i tend to agree with you about the date issue. however i've got a number of scripts (again, poorly written by someone else) that rely on comparing dates between ASP & MS SQL. set the locale defaults. logout and the scripts break. date formats are different. login locally as a user and the scripts work. personally i'm not too interested in troubleshooting it, but its still annoying.

Anon

Asp = Microsoft lack to control the internet. Ooopps Holes...What? Nah! Its microsoft! No holes in win32! NOPE. ASP forever! HAHAHAHAHA. God love PHP.

Anon

You have serious balls young man. How old are you? Like 12? You think you can come on a PHP builder site and just think you can post 0 code, 0 details, and hell you didnt even write in logical sentances! I agree with you Brandon on he is an idiot! But Blatent Moron would be more suitable. As I said earlier you cannot bring PHP against ASP. Being a programmer of both I think that ASP sucks. Yes I said it sucks. Getting to your shot of no jobs for PHP programmers...its not the programmers fault...it's the economy. Have you taken a look at the economy right now? Have you??? You will see that tech stocks are going down faster than a chinese whore on a saturday night! So therefore layoff's are not uncommon and people are fighting for jobs. Yes I am thankfully employed (Self-Employed) and doing nicely. I am a Senior in high-school. Never optimize all your pages simply for one search engine. That is just plain stupid. Did you do it for Yahoo, AOL, how about Netscape? Hmm.... Good points. So this discussion about which is a better programming languages should come to an end. It == 0 value to the real world problems facing our society. How about we think of something that will jump start the economy instead of bickering over a problem which has plaqued the development of the internet with ARPNET with Kleinrock's invention of packet switching. He thought he was better and everyone thought he was a nut. Let's just stop this madness and get to some real quality programming. Eh? Thats all I got. I'm Out!
Chad R. Smith

Anon

You must be from Asia...

-j

Anon

Nah...Ohioan....